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The legendary Chiang Peng Lung barely escapes. The reverse penhold forehand is much deadlier weapon than the rpb.



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Xu Xin showed this skill in one of the Stiga video

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Originally posted by photino photino wrote:

Xu Xin showed this skill in one of the Stiga video


He never uses it while master Moulin uses it exclusively to win his matches.
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(ChichoFicho)  The legendary Chiang Peng Lung barely escapes.  The reverse penhold forehand is much deadlier weapon than the rpb.

Despite buffering problems with my laptop, I watched the video clip you posted twice and did not see a reverse penhold forehand from either player.   A reverse penhold forehand is possible, but I do not see how it could be more effective than a conventional penhold forehand.  Are you sure that that is what you meant to write?

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May I know what is a reverse penhold forehand stroke ? How is it executed ?

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LcscISPzk5Y&feature=channel_video_title

Here is Xu Xin's video I mentioned. It's used in real match as well, but very rare.
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Originally posted by berndt_mann berndt_mann wrote:

(ChichoFicho)  The legendary Chiang Peng Lung barely escapes.  The reverse penhold forehand is much deadlier weapon than the rpb.

Despite buffering problems with my laptop, I watched the video clip you posted twice and did not see a reverse penhold forehand from either player.   A reverse penhold forehand is possible, but I do not see how it could be more effective than a conventional penhold forehand.  Are you sure that that is what you meant to write?

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Watch in carefully in a slow motion and you will see that master Moulin uses the inverted rubber on his backhand side to spin the ball sent to his forehand side. It is more effective because the opponent doesn't expect it
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Originally posted by photino photino wrote:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LcscISPzk5Y&feature=channel_video_title

Here is Xu Xin's video I mentioned. It's used in real match as well, but very rare.

Unfortunately, Xu Xin is far behind master Moulin with regard to this stroke. Xu Xin just drives the ball down the line. Master Moulin puts huge amounr of sidespin on the ball and can send it in any direction 
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Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

Originally posted by photino photino wrote:

Xu Xin showed this skill in one of the Stiga video



He never uses it while master Moulin uses it exclusively to win his matches.


is he using pips short or long? I ve seen liu doing this trick in 2000 olympics
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Wow that's really impressive... Didn't know anyone who actually uses it as a regular shot, normally people just twiddle for those shots. I think he's using some sort of long pips on his FH side if I'm not mistaken, so the sudden change from long pips pushblocking to an inverted attack could be quite disorienting. Chiang had the correct strategy of attacking the deep FH to avoid the nasty pips block.
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Wow that's really impressive... Didn't know anyone who actually uses it as a regular shot, normally people just twiddle for those shots. I think he's using some sort of long pips on his FH side if I'm not mistaken, so the sudden change from long pips pushblocking to an inverted attack could be quite disorienting. Chiang had the correct strategy of attacking the deep FH to avoid the nasty pips block.


couldnt think of an amateur blocking chiang s loop even with few training chiang must be very powerful
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Ok, its cooool. I thought he was twiddling.Clap

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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

Originally posted by photino photino wrote:

Xu Xin showed this skill in one of the Stiga video



He never uses it while master Moulin uses it exclusively to win his matches.


is he using pips short or long? I ve seen liu doing this trick in 2000 olympics
Master Moulin uses long pips Saviga Fantasy OX.
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This is the racket of the great master

 
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Is it legal to use rubber like that ?
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Originally posted by aeoliah aeoliah wrote:

Is it legal to use rubber like that ?
No. I guess he plays with it in training matches.
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Originally posted by aeoliah aeoliah wrote:

Is it legal to use rubber like that ?


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The great master does not use this paddle in official matches.
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Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

Originally posted by berndt_mann berndt_mann wrote:

(ChichoFicho)  The legendary Chiang Peng Lung barely escapes.  The reverse penhold forehand is much deadlier weapon than the rpb.

Despite buffering problems with my laptop, I watched the video clip you posted twice and did not see a reverse penhold forehand from either player.   A reverse penhold forehand is possible, but I do not see how it could be more effective than a conventional penhold forehand.  Are you sure that that is what you meant to write?

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Watch in carefully in a slow motion and you will see that master Moulin uses the inverted rubber on his backhand side to spin the ball sent to his forehand side. It is more effective because the opponent doesn't expect it

Yep, the RPF is very clear in the point at the 2:00 and 2:30 mark.  Quite impressive actually.  Both loops in this point, he was able to penetrate CPL's backhand TPB block.  Not easy to do against a WTTC semi-finalist.  Even if not as active, CPL would be 2600-2700.  Moulin's RPB has great power also.  It would be interesting to see if he just stayed with the pure pushblocker style vs. mixing up loops, which style would give him a higher level.


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Yeah, master Moulin is a solid 2500 player.
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