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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:


I'll offer one possibility then - 2 months isn't enough. 


In which case it is in very marked contrast to Evolution or any booster that we apply ourselves, and therefore suggests that the speed glue effect in Tenergy is produced by a different process that would not be something we would call boosting per se (even if it produces a speed glue effect0.

I would say that it just says that whatever ESN do to MX-P is more short-lived in comparison to whatever Butterfly do to Tenergy.  They could both be "factory boosted" (with Butterfly having the "better" method), depending on how you define it, or neither.

Another thing to bear in mind is that ESN have for the most part moved on from the MX-P days.  Their newer rubbers don't have the same obvious smell, and don't shrink as noticeably.  So would we say that (picking something from the air), Omega V Europe or Acuda Blue P2 aren't factory boosted?  Back to the semantics thing, this way madness lies - you end up with a broad spectrum of how likely things are to fit the definition you hold.  

There is too much guesswork involved to be anywhere close to sure about this, but I find it interesting how sure people can be.  I suspect some sort of bias where Butterfly is some sort of spotless white knight of the industry, and "factory boosting" is a dirty term (just a way of the ITTF getting more cash and hurting the everyday player etc etc), so they can't be doing that naughty thing, and so on.
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Originally posted by jpenmaster jpenmaster wrote:

I wonder if the shrinkage has something to do with the high tension process over time and not from boosting?

Maybe.  Lots of modern Butterfly rubbers have a slight curl when new, so something tension-y is going on (I'm glad the tension police aren't around these days).

But regardless, if we accept tenergy shrinks (and I know not everyone does) then something is degrading over time.
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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

I'll offer one possibility then - 2 months isn't enough.  

Personally the reason I reglue my FH side after 1.5-2 months is I do believe the sponge degrades over time due to all the stresses and hits.. By removing and reglueing it sort of resets the sponge in/around the sweet spot and it behaves much better for another few weeks. I've never witnessed it shrink in any way if it was applied gently.

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Q. Just unpacked rubber gets curved. Was it factory-treated with some booster?
A.   No, This does not always bespeak presence of factory boosters.


Once had a talk with a man employee to the rubber manufactury. He suggested the just-baked sponge sheet would shrink by 5-10% in every direction after a while.
Just vulcanized sheet of sponge is liable to have a week's rest before the top-sheet attached.
Once you glue the rubber and sponge sheets together too early, the ultimate sandwich sheet will get domed with sponge inwards.
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If my memory serves me right, something like year 2010, The representative of Butterfly technical stuff was interviewed by the German DTTB magazine
    -- we never tamper in the finished product and, even-more-so, we did found the oily applications on the modern cellular sponge (i.e. Tenergy Power Sponge) can hurt the rubber performance badly.


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The Dome you get when the sponges are put on warm is a reverse Dome. mostly you see that in Chinese rubbers

I think tenergy plays like there's an oil of some sort in the sponge
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Holy Hurricane!  Is Tenergy factory boosted or is it isn't factory boosted so if you want that wonderful boosting effect you gotta do the job yourself?

When I read all this stuff about to boost or not to boost:  that is the question, I think of those television ads for drugs that treat everything from Crohn's disease to psoriasis to depression that show a lot of happy people testifying to the benefits of Gertruda or Elixiban or whatever and then an unseen voice is heard describing the possible side effects, varying from bad breath to diarrhea to death.

Does Tenergy die a horrible glassy death if after using it for a while you don't boost it?  Does the sponge eventually behave as though you dipped it into an Everglades swamp?  Does anyone know of any player who committed hara-kiri after discovering his Tenergy went bust?  

Has Tenergy been approved by the Food and Drug Administration?  Never mind the food; we are talking chemical city here.  No wonder this rubber costs so freakin' much per sheet.  It's a pharmaceutical nightmare.
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Originally posted by berndt_mann berndt_mann wrote:

Holy Hurricane!  Is Tenergy factory boosted or is it isn't factory boosted so if you want that wonderful boosting effect you gotta do the job yourself?

When I read all this stuff about to boost or not to boost:  that is the question, I think of those television ads for drugs that treat everything from Crohn's disease to psoriasis to depression that show a lot of happy people testifying to the benefits of Gertruda or Elixiban or whatever and then an unseen voice is heard describing the possible side effects, varying from bad breath to diarrhea to death.

Does Tenergy die a horrible glassy death if after using it for a while you don't boost it?  Does the sponge eventually behave as though you dipped it into an Everglades swamp?  Does anyone know of any player who committed hara-kiri after discovering his Tenergy went bust?  

Has Tenergy been approved by the Food and Drug Administration?  Never mind the food; we are talking chemical city here.  No wonder this rubber costs so freakin' much per sheet.  It's a pharmaceutical nightmare.


Rhetoric ......or do you actually not know that most all modern sponges are boosted during production?  
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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

   Q. Just unpacked rubber gets curved. Was it factory-treated with some booster?
A.   No, This does not always bespeak presence of factory boosters.


Once had a talk with a man employee to the rubber manufactury. He suggested the just-baked sponge sheet would shrink by 5-10% in every direction after a while.
Just vulcanized sheet of sponge is liable to have a week's rest before the top-sheet attached.
Once you glue the rubber and sponge sheets together too early, the ultimate sandwich sheet will get domed with sponge inwards.
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If my memory serves me right, something like year 2010, The representative of Butterfly technical stuff was interviewed by the German DTTB magazine
    -- we never tamper in the finished product and, even-more-so, we did found the oily applications on the modern cellular sponge (i.e. Tenergy Power Sponge) can hurt the rubber performance badly.


if rakza 9 comes boosted out of the package why not tenergy?.

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Rich215,

The title of this thread is "Is Tenergy factory boosted?"

Do you know for certain that Tenergy is one of the most of the rubbers you claim to be factory boosted?
There seems to be some dispute among members of this forum as to whether or not this is so.

For my own part, I do not give a floating pomegranate which modern sponges are factory boosted and which are not.  I switched back to playing hardbat from (gasp!) speed glued inverted rubber in 1997.  You don't need to boost or tune the rubber on a hardbat, and you certainly don't need to pay Tenergy prices for your rubber.

Rhetoric?  Sarcasm?  Oh heavens to Betsy yes.  Boosting a rubber, whether by Falco Revolution number 653 or anything else continues to bias the sport in favor of attack and IMHO isn't really needed if you're a world class player who would still have plenty of game (presumably) without recourse to using this stuff, be it built into most modern sponge as you state or whether you have to marinate your weapon of not yet mass destruction with Haifu seamoon or dianchi or whatever.


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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

 

if rakza 9 comes boosted out of the package why not tenergy?.

The fact that some rubbers come out factory boosted does not mean all rubbers are that way, even if they perform similarly.  You can find three different cars with similar gas mileage, but one will be electric, one will be gas-only, and one will be hybrid.  Technology provides many different routes to similar results.

I've glued a lot of sheets of Tenergy and spent some time picking apart the trim pieces that are left over from gluing.  I've never seen anything oily or anything to suggest that it's factory boosted.  I would want to see either an admission from Butterfly or someone present scientific evidence.  Otherwise, I think we're just hearing alt-facts for a post-truth spin.
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

 

if rakza 9 comes boosted out of the package why not tenergy?.


The fact that some rubbers come out factory boosted does not mean all rubbers are that way, even if they perform similarly.  You can find three different cars with similar gas mileage, but one will be electric, one will be gas-only, and one will be hybrid.  Technology provides many different routes to similar results.

I've glued a lot of sheets of Tenergy and spent some time picking apart the trim pieces that are left over from gluing.  I've never seen anything oily or anything to suggest that it's factory boosted.  I would want to see either an admission from Butterfly or someone present scientific evidence.  Otherwise, I think we're just hearing alt-facts for a post-truth spin.


I can tell is boosted because I know that some top player from asia was selling a bottle with butterfly booster in the us open I dont have pics but is was small metal bottle believe or not its up to you but i know that donic and nittaku have their own booster too both are odorless.everybody I know who play at german 2nd 3rd league is aware that even junior and cadets play with boosters

ask yourself why tenergy sponge feels oily
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