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jpenmaster
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If you could build an innerforce type zlc blade what wood veneer combo would you use?
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my 1st choice would be dark limba then Koto.
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jpenmaster
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I want to build myself a few blades so I have black limba, koto,and spruce veneers. I have ayous and balsa cores plus a few yards of Textreme ZLC . The zylon/carbon is the same company who makes the Stiga carbonado carbon weave.
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Hi, you are going to make the blade by yourself ?
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I have tested (much too) much blades in the last years and I have had the best experiences with two combinations:
Therefore it depends on the thickness of your veneers, which combination should be the best. For the core personally I don`t really like balsa with one exception: a thin balsa-core combined with a hard composite layer directly over the core. Otherwise I clearly prefer ayous or kiri for the core.
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Hi Magic_M, may I know why you don't like balsa core ? Is it the sound or performance ?
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A balsa core makes the blade bouncy and non-linear. The thicker the core, the bouncier is the blade. Therefore a 7-ply blade with a thin balsa core (like Tibhar Illusion Killer) is a good solution.
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I just received a blade from an eBay seller from Lithuania featuring a structure similar to Magic_M's "koto spruce basalt ayous", haven't tried it out yet.
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jpenmaster
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The veneer place I use has some really nice white ash in right now. Looks like I will try these 2 first and see how it goes. Going to start out with a 3mm core .
Koto/Spruce/ZLC/Ayous/ZLC/Spruce/Koto Limba/Spruce/ZLC/Ayous/ZLC/Spruce/Limba Edited by jpenmaster - 04/25/2017 at 3:16pm |
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White ash
Here is the zylon / carbon I purchased Edited by jpenmaster - 04/25/2017 at 3:23pm |
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mhnh007
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jpenmaster - whatever you decide to make, make an extra one for forum members to test. I won't do the testing (not playing much atm, but would love to read review form others.
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I will pass out my rejects lol. I just need to remember to make one anatomic....
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tiehwen
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Have we not seen enough or learned any lesson or 2 here? |
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I like to see a blade with 'White Ash - ZLC - koto - ayous - koto - ZLC - White Ash'. my reason is that I love White Ash top ply (there not enough blade with it commercially available), I am not a big fan of inner composite.
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"That blade will disappear after awhile & months & months or even yrs later it will re-surface in the FS section...LOL." even homemade blades ? - sad
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I think ayous core will be the best. I like the innerforce blades so keeping the zlc on the core should still give me that wood feel. Limba and spruce seem to be popular middle plies so I might have to experiment a bit. Limba and Koto seem to be the outer veneers of choice. Ash and walnut are other options. I know I have to use epoxy on the zlc layer and I plan to use hide/bone glue on wood to wood. If the hide glue doesn't work I will use titebond. I think i sbould use epoxy or titebond on the handle. I have a small roarockit vacuum press to keep them flat and air pocket free. I am open to suggestions
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True, but if I build a blade, I would be flattered if someone would take the time to test it and give me feed back. |
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I heard that hide glue is not easy to work with, it can warp the blade, if the gluing and drying process is not done right. |
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That is why I was going to leave it in the vacuum press for at least 24 hours. I think i should epoxy the core/zlz/spruce together press it over night,let it sit for a day then hide glue on the outer veneer and repress it for at least 24 hours. If it warps or is too much trouble I can just use titebond
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Hi,
My experience with ordinary white wood glue is very satisfactory. I have used this glue when my xiom katana 10 mm split into two. The blade is still good. On another occasion, I had also used this glue when I changed the handle pieces of a blade. Very good bond, no problem ......so far. I do not know if this glue is suitable for zlc or other fabrics though. penholderxxx
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Koto outer on one side, Limba outer on the other side would be interesting...
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1. Mizutani Jun ZLC, FH T80, BH T05
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Got my Koto and Limba veneers in...Spruce, balsa and ayous are in the mail. I might order some Ash and Maple as well. I think building a real "violin" (maple/spruce/Hide glue) would be interesting. I had a few people ask about where I got my wood. I got most of my veneers from certainly wood. The Balsa cores and Spruce sheets I got from national balsa. The ayous cores came from always hobbies in the UK it is also called Obeche. Roarockit makes the vacuum press I ordered the 26x28 . Elite motoring on ebay sells the ZLC and carbon from Textreme.
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try ZLC as your outer layer (lol) it looks too nice to be on the inside
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This Textreme ZLC is strange. I was expecting a smaller "weave" like regular carbon fiber..
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Textreme fabric is a spread tow fabric.
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Got material in for handles. Ironwood is HEAVY!!!
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Got my first zlc prototype done.. I need to work on my woodworking skills lol
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Not sure yet. This one has an ayous core ,limba inner,zlc then Koto outer. I am still trying to figure it all out. This one has a solid handle ,weighs 97 grams and is 6.0mm thick so its a little heavy . I used a really thin Koto veneer and i can just barely feel the zlc weave pattern. I am still experimenting with epoxy on the zlc. First blade i did i used too much and the blade felt like stone this one i used less but not sure how durable it will be. Hopefully I can play with this one tomorrow.
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