karis h is out!

Do you feel there is any difference between red and black topsheets?

I like black better on Karis M. Slightly.

I think the coming generation of ESN rubbers are in a good position to overtake Tenergy, definitely amongst amateurs and upcoming pros. Butterfly has its work cut out for it.

I will get a sheet of Karis H to test but it is quite likely I will be using R47 or Aurus Prime in the not too distant future. IMO, Karis fans will like the new generation of ESN rubbers.

I had another practice with Karis H and Nittaku Hammond Power.

VictorK wrote: koshkin wrote: Do you feel there is any difference between red and black topsheets? I haven't noticed any difference, but it doesn't mean there isn't - It just never occurred to me to test for that :)   I will try to do it next time I play.

Baal wrote: By the way, I tried Rasanter R47 today. Didn't like it. I will stick with Karis M. I did 't really give it much time. So I shouldn't write a review. I used it jus enough to decide I preferred what I've been using and I gave my R47 sheets to a clubmate. My black sheet of Karis M is a little faster than the red one.

I want to be baal's clubmate!

NextLevel wrote: Baal wrote: By the way, I tried Rasanter R47 today. Didn't like it. I will stick with Karis M. I did 't really give it much time. So I shouldn't write a review. I used it jus enough to decide I preferred what I've been using and I gave my R47 sheets to a clubmate. My black sheet of Karis M is a little faster than the red one. That's pretty interesting. I do think that R47 is a spinnier version of M+.

Tried H on a friend's Jang Jike ALC, much more controllable on the ALC over the CB carbon, was what I expected, a more powerful version of Karis on high end, but surprisingly still good on openers and serves. On the CB it made you want to crack everything, not a good idea, interestingly enough, I had a good match with that setup midweek reaching 9-9 in 5th to lose vs much better opponent, won majority on my points on touch shots, not power finishes... go figure.

R47 felt like it might be a little spinnier and it has some of the good linear properties of Karis. I just liked the feel of Karis better. What really surprised me is that Karis was faster on a Viscaria.Closezt thing I have tried compared to R47 is ELS.

It is probably better to listen to slevin's comments on this compared to mine. He has probably spent more time with both rubbers than I have.  All I can say is that I was expecting something quite different with R47 and I was not very analytical about my reasons for not liking it.  Maybe I would like the V version better?  Not going to spend money to find out.  They were selling R47 at a nicely discounted price at WTTC and it was an impulse buy.  I tend to make my judgments on rubbers pretty quickly.  Mostly the stuff I stick with for years are things I liked right away.  I liked Karis right away.  Tenergy 64 also, and after that I liked Tenergy 05 right away and stayed with it for 8 years.  Same with my blade.  I am back to the Viscaria I have been using for many years.

Karis H is interesting to me though, but I preferred M to M+, even though in general I prefer harder rubbers. 

VictorK wrote: VictorK wrote: koshkin wrote: Do you feel there is any difference between red and black topsheets? I haven't noticed any difference, but it doesn't mean there isn't - It just never occurred to me to test for that :)   I will try to do it next time I play. I tried (for about 30 minutes) to play with red and black Karis M alternating between BH and FH.   I think (it might be in my head though, lol) that I noticed a minor difference between the black and red, with black playing a little "crispier" than red, but in general, I find the playing characteristic very similar so switching between red and black is rather seamless, and it doesn't require any noticeable adjustments for me. I also had one practice session with Karis H black on FH, but since I tend to be slow evaluating equipment, I'll need to play few more times, and against few different styles before I express my opinion.

Thanks ILya.
Keep us updated with your experiments with Karis in your EJ's cycle of the year!

Koshkin, very interesting read and I would agree that even on the M+, you need a flexible blade. I personally don't think the Karis in general works super well with stiff blades at all. It feels dead. Even on the Vega Pro (blade) I found the M to be quite 'dead'.