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    Posted: 04/30/2018 at 5:55am
I think these kokutaku blade series haven't yet get JTTAA approved.. that's why japan shop likes iruiru and tt-japan are not selling them..
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Originally posted by AntSj00 AntSj00 wrote:

@Chewy,

Now I wonder why products like Butterfly, Nittaku, Victas, Darker have J.T.T.A.A. stamps 
as you say they are only marketed in S.E.A and not used for tournaments in Japan? 
What if there are players from Indonesia who use this blade and then he followed the tournament in Japan? 
Surely he will be rejected.

Because I am disappointed, I have returned this blade to the seller and asked for refund.

I'm not sure what your problem is here.  Are you going to return a blade because you might want to play an officially sanctioned JTTAA tournament in Japan at some point?  Is this something you're likely to do?
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@Ant,

I have explained to you time and again.
I have introduced myself, gave you direct contact to the Brand Owners themselves to check for authenticity, to the best of my effort also gave you explanations.

Quoted from you: " Now I wonder why products like Butterfly, Nittaku, Victas, Darker have J.T.T.A.A. stamps as you say they are only marketed in S.E.A and not used for tournaments in Japan? "
This is YOU saying these things. Not me.

Now I start to wonder, what is your purpose on this Forum?

If you are unhappy with a product and dislike it, I cannot help you.
What's more you've already requested for a refund from your local Reseller.
If you don't like something, nobody can force you to buy it. You are also free to express your dissatisfaction.

But you refuse my explanations and keep coming to me with weird opinions of yours.

If you are going to Japan for a Tournament. And you seem like you are always 100% sure about rulings, manufacturing and distribution there. Very likely you should get yourself prepared beforehand.
If an equipment is not going to be allowed for play there, then don't use it. Simple.

You might as well say all Brands whether Blades or Rubbers without JTTA cannot be used there.
Kokutaku 868 Rubbers, Kokutaku 3008B Blades and Such, Kokutaku Special Material Blades, just don't buy and even use it there then.

Sorry but this is getting ridiculous.


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@Chewy,

Now I wonder why products like Butterfly, Nittaku, Victas, Darker have J.T.T.A.A. stamps
as you say they are only marketed in S.E.A and not used for tournaments in Japan?
What if there are players from Indonesia who use this blade and then he followed the tournament in Japan?
Surely he will be rejected.

Because I am disappointed, I have returned this blade to the seller and asked for refund.


Edited by AntSj00 - 07/31/2017 at 5:35am
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@Ant,

I did mention these blades are exported out of Japan. JTTA Stamp is required for Japanese Tournaments.

a) Again, I am not Japanese or in Japan. I cannot be too sure. If you insist that all made in japan blades MUST have JTTA Stamp.
Please, contact KTT directly with your questions. http://www.kokukdaku.com

But to say being harmed by purchasing. If from a) you are wrong and it is not mandatory.
I can understand if the blades are of inferior quality; Frankly, when you look at these products and from feedback. I have been told that it's the complete opposite.

You can choose not to purchase the item, if you are particular about the JTTA Stamp.
But your statement, a consumer who has bought and been harmed by it. This is very unfair to us dealers.
You could also have asked your reseller and stated your concerns before making a purchase too.

Otherwise, let us stop here.
I wish I could, but I am not at liberty to share with you. Their manufacturing and marketing processes.
It is best you contact them directly. I have given you the link, which should get you to the right people.


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@Chevy. Of course you're right about blades that are not Made In Japan don't have JTTAA stamps but these are KKT and on head blade printed very clearly "Made In Japan". In Indonesia is very clear if the blade is made in Japan then it certainly has JTTAA stamp.

I am just a consumer who has bought this blade and has been harmed by it.
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@Ant
I too apologise if I caused any confusion. And respect your opinions.
All I can say is, I am a Table Tennis Equipment Distributor based in Thailand.
In the forums, with fellow members; try to give reviews so users can get an idea of certain products.
If you would like to know more as to who am I, please visit my website rocket-TT.com

I think you might have mistaken. I was told, the current plan was that there isn't any JTTA stamp on these blades.
However in future, if KKT decides to go for the stamp. That is their decision, KKT does not have to ask me for approval.

From what I know, for this series of blades. It is controlled. I know the dealers in indonesia, Vietnam, Singapore and myself in thailand.
Our controller is in Singapore. Who has ties with KKT. As to how and what, I am not sure if I am at liberty to reveal.
However, if you would like to verify authenticity. Please PM me, and I would gladly direct you to our Controller.
I am sure, everything goes back to KKT with their knowledge of these ongoings and products.

I emphasise these blades are exported from KKT to us. Out of Japan.
We can do sales in S.E.A. as there is no regulation to have a JTTA stamp for a blade to be used in competition here?
I just hope you can take some time to verify the facts. Before jumping to conclusions.
If I made a mistake after your verifications. I would gladly admit.

100% that I am wrong in opinion. All Japanese brand Blades & Rubbers in indonesia have the JTTA Stamp - this I quote from you.
As I am not there, I cannot say if you're right or wrong with your statement.
Kokutaku 868/Blutenkirsche Rubbers.
Kokutaku Super Series eg B3008,B3xxx Series etc.
Yasaka Blades that are made in Sweden.
Do these Japenese Brand items have JTTA stamp in your market?
As you mentioned only "this Blade family"(our blades in subject) did not have JTTA Stamp?

I really do not know what answer you are looking for.
But the options are all open for you to verify facts.
And I can direct you to the relevant in-charges/brands/companies.


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@Chevy. This is a strange. A traditional trademark such as KKT but the issue of approval from JTTAA is not considered.
Of course your opinion is 100% wrong. This is not about selling only in S.E.A region or not but about JTTAA certification. Just so you know, All the blade & rubber from Japanese brands that circulated in Indonesia already have certified from JTTAA except this blade family.
Now I also wonder who are you?

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@Ant yes Ant. I see now, that you are from Indonesia, there is already a Distributor for these blades there. Smile


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Originally posted by Chewy Chewy wrote:

Hello Ant,

To answer your question. They (KKT Brand) has no intention to register for J.T.T.A license yet, for this particular series.

However it may be a possibility in the near future. It is entirely up to them, when it comes to us. We only distribute the product(s) in our regions. (Our region in S.E.A. does not require the JTTA stamp on blades in order to play).

Hope I have cleared your doubts.
Cheers.

Hi Chewy, 

May i know who you are and what is your relation to KKT. 
Which country are you from and who is 'we'. From which country?


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Hello Ant,

To answer your question. They (KKT Brand) has no intention to register for J.T.T.A license yet, for this particular series.

However it may be a possibility in the near future. It is entirely up to them, when it comes to us. We only distribute the product(s) in our regions. (Our region in S.E.A. does not require the JTTA stamp on blades in order to play).

Hope I have cleared your doubts.
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Can anybody tell me why this Alnon has no J.T.T.A.A.tezt ??
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This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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In Indonesia store's still available couple pieces. You still can buy it.
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Where can you buy those blades? I did a quick search online and didn't see anyplace to buy them.  I would be interested in zylon ones.

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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Just a quick update - had a few more sessions with the alnon, this time with Rasanter R47 FH and R42 BH.  It's still incredibly close to Viscaria in terms of the way it plays.  I tend to prefer limba outer plies, but there's something about a sharp koto feel that helps direct play.  R42 was excellent and was hard to pick fault with (preferred it to V42 on this blade), whereas R47 was a bit more of a handful in the short game than my previous, much slower, limba 5-ply.  None of which is a surprise of course - it would likely be the same if I moved to any of the many other koto-ALC category of blades.

I find that it's hard to beat this kind of blade in combination with K1 Plus on my FH side though.  It has just the right combination of real-world performance for my level without going overboard, or without falling into the trap of using a traditional chinese tacky rubber and then wishing you could boost.
Andy, whether this is a blade category that is worth it to try? And really close for head to head with Viscaria?
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Hmmmm. Those look good. I have bought these before and look like good value.

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Originally posted by Tinykin Tinykin wrote:


I would love to see a review on socksBig smile

Look at these bad boys at Bribar!  It's like they know what I want.

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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Viscaria Light lookalike! Maybe it will be what the Viscaria Light never was...

Edit: You got a lot of money to EJ my man Thumbs Up

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Originally posted by shinshiro shinshiro wrote:

Andy, have you played with Ovtcharov True Carbon? OTC is also said to play very similar to Viscaria (I think Baal said this). Can you notice any difference between OTC and Alnon? Wich feels more similar to Viscaria?

I haven't used the OTC.  I wonder if Baal would want to try my Alnon out?  No one knows Viscaria like Baal.

Originally posted by onehander onehander wrote:

Nice follow up, and thanks!
Andy, if you were forced to choose only one blade between the Alnon and the Adidas Hypertouch, which would you choose, and why would it be your preference?  

That's a tricky one.  The Hypertouch is a great blade - one of my favorites.  The HT isn't as linear as the Alnon (gets bouncy when under stress - probably the spruce at work), but has an amazing ability to sling the ball out with good arc when looping from distance.  I'd probably go with the Alnon for ease-of-use and because I spend a lot less time looping from distance these days.
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Nice follow up, and thanks!

Andy, if you were forced to choose only one blade between the Alnon and the Adidas Hypertouch, which would you choose, and why would it be your preference?  


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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Just a quick update - had a few more sessions with the alnon, this time with Rasanter R47 FH and R42 BH.  It's still incredibly close to Viscaria in terms of the way it plays.  I tend to prefer limba outer plies, but there's something about a sharp koto feel that helps direct play.  R42 was excellent and was hard to pick fault with (preferred it to V42 on this blade), whereas R47 was a bit more of a handful in the short game than my previous, much slower, limba 5-ply.  None of which is a surprise of course - it would likely be the same if I moved to any of the many other koto-ALC category of blades.

I find that it's hard to beat this kind of blade in combination with K1 Plus on my FH side though.  It has just the right combination of real-world performance for my level without going overboard, or without falling into the trap of using a traditional chinese tacky rubber and then wishing you could boost.

Andy, have you played with Ovtcharov True Carbon? OTC is also said to play very similar to Viscaria (I think Baal said this). Can you notice any difference between OTC and Alnon? Wich feels more similar to Viscaria?


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Just a quick update - had a few more sessions with the alnon, this time with Rasanter R47 FH and R42 BH.  It's still incredibly close to Viscaria in terms of the way it plays.  I tend to prefer limba outer plies, but there's something about a sharp koto feel that helps direct play.  R42 was excellent and was hard to pick fault with (preferred it to V42 on this blade), whereas R47 was a bit more of a handful in the short game than my previous, much slower, limba 5-ply.  None of which is a surprise of course - it would likely be the same if I moved to any of the many other koto-ALC category of blades.

I find that it's hard to beat this kind of blade in combination with K1 Plus on my FH side though.  It has just the right combination of real-world performance for my level without going overboard, or without falling into the trap of using a traditional chinese tacky rubber and then wishing you could boost.
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Originally posted by onehander onehander wrote:

Not to worry Andy.  
With the high quality of your reviews, people will send you blades just to get your take!  

Would that it were so simple.  Yogi is the master of that - his networking skills are second to none.

I bought my Alnon at a slightly discounted price.  It isn't often that I get stuff for free, and I always feel lucky when I do.
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Not to worry Andy.  
With the high quality of your reviews, people will send you blades just to get your take!  
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Thank you very much for the Review Andy! Glad you like the blade, and the good experience to the land of "Japane" LOL

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Alnon - Koto/AramidCarbon/Limba/Kiri  ???
Zenon - Limba/ZylonCarbon/Limba/Kiri MJ
CanonZYC - Hinoki/ZylonCarbon/Kiri Amultart
CanonTRC - Hinoki/Carbon/Kiri Gergeley carbon

The one you review is an original composition; I could not find another blade made out of these plies. The koto outer, limba inner and kri core are the common ones with the Viscaria; I guess aramid carbon and arylate carbon are very close in terms of performance.

The Zenon is very tempting but is priced the same than the MJ... Cry





@Fatt, we actually do provide some discounts from the listed price in that website. 
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Originally posted by SmackDAT SmackDAT wrote:

Viscaria Light lookalike! Maybe it will be what the Viscaria Light never was...

Edit: You got a lot of money to EJ my man Thumbs Up

These few months are probably my last hurrah.  Moving house soon so spare cash will be rare.  Will have to review different socks or edge tape from now on.
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Look a blade made by Mr. Levi with same composition, 88g, 5.8 mm thickness, 150x157mm:

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Viscaria Light lookalike! Maybe it will be what the Viscaria Light never was...

Edit: You got a lot of money to EJ my man Thumbs Up


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Originally posted by jpenmaster jpenmaster wrote:

I love it's made in JAPANE .....

I initially thought it was a crazy intentional easter-egg shout-out to the misspelling on the original Viscaria, but it turns out it was just a run-of-the-mill misspelling on the first run.  I'm going to be very generous and call mine a collector's item. Wink

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Alnon - Koto/AramidCarbon/Limba/Kiri  ???
Zenon - Limba/ZylonCarbon/Limba/Kiri MJ
CanonZYC - Hinoki/ZylonCarbon/Kiri Amultart
CanonTRC - Hinoki/Carbon/Kiri Gergeley carbon

The one you review is an original composition; I could not find another blade made out of these plies. The koto outer, limba inner and kri core are the common ones with the Viscaria; I guess aramid carbon and arylate carbon are very close in terms of performance.

The Zenon is very tempting but is priced the same than the MJ... Cry

I think aramid and arylate are going to be pretty close in most of the ways that matter, but this could be what results in the slight difference in feel between the two.  If I'm not imagining that difference.  Or it could be the glue used, or the thickness/density of the weave, etc.

The price is crucial with these blades if they're going to get a foothold.  I'm hoping that we're looking at KKT's retail prices and stores will be "allowed" to discount, if you know what I mean.  

Originally posted by onehander onehander wrote:

There is another blade with a very similar construction and is also made in Japan:
The Yasaka Alnade.   Even the name is close!   Could they be coming from the same factory?

I don't know.  I was hoping to see some reviews of Alnade myself at some point, or add it to an order or something.
This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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