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    Posted: 06/17/2017 at 9:21pm
Am interested to learn this stroke as a useful variation to the chiquita that I like to do... Basically it's similar to a BH sidespin push which has the opposite sidespin to the chiquita...would be useful to know if anyone here uses this stroke regularly and what are the key points to learning it?
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Why is it called a strawberry?
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i've got to come up with something called the peaches
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Am interested to learn this stroke as a useful variation to the chiquita that I like to do... Basically it's similar to a BH sidespin push which has the opposite sidespin to the chiquita...would be useful to know if anyone here uses this stroke regularly and what are the key points to learning it?

I've never heard of the strawberry, but the boysenberry backhand reverse sidespin push return of serve was regularly used by greats such as Barna and Bergmann back in the day.  You can see the boysenberry employed in the three minute excerpt of Barna-Bergmann 1949 that apparently you have yet to watch.  It still might work today.

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Try the boysenberry and if you can't master it, go to the strawberry.  No worries.
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Originally posted by kurokami kurokami wrote:

i've got to come up with something called the peaches

ROFL.... I think you would have earned the right to name it whatever you want if you do end up inventing a new stroke Wink
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Originally posted by Odie Odie wrote:

Why is it called a strawberry?

It's called a strawberry because it's the opposite spin direction of a banana (Chiquita). The first person I ever heard say that was Stefan Feth.

I see a few professionals doing it, Xu Xin does it penhold, several Japanese players, both male and female employ it.


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Originally posted by Odie Odie wrote:

Why is it called a strawberry?

I'm not entirely sure too, that's what Adam Bobrow called it. I guess it's because we call the BH sidespin flick the chiquita, and this is a corresponding BH sidespin "flick/push" and so he probably just used another random fruit name...  LOL
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I can understand how you can get underspin or sidespin from the stroke, but from what I've seen it seems that players who use it (Miu Hirano, few of the French players like Simon Gauzy) have the ability to make it a fast side-topspin receive which is almost like a sidespin flick, and it almost seems to take their opponents by surprise all the time! I'm not so sure how they manage to make it a sidespin flick... 
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Thanks!  I thought I was missing a key item of TT vocabulary!
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It is called a strawberry because banana was already taken.  I'm starting to use the strawberry with my LP's.  It's a very effective stroke if you can master it.  I think the surprise factor really helps since you can hit it in almost any direction with what looks like the same stroke.  With LP's I need to hit the side/top of the ball. 
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