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The spiniest tensor rubber |
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gianquittia
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Posted: 06/28/2017 at 4:53am |
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I use innerforce layer alc.s. pretty dwelly blade |
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FH Yasaka Rakza 7 1.9 BH Yasaka Rakza 7 Soft 1.9 |
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adishorul
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The blade is important when you are talking about rakza |
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gianquittia
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I use max on my fh and 2.0 on bh.
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FH Yasaka Rakza 7 1.9 BH Yasaka Rakza 7 Soft 1.9 |
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bbkon
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some are too bouncy like baracuda |
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wilkinru
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I think you read that the wrong way. If I was to get a rubber that made less spin then that would be no good. So less spin would be what I'm worried about. Yeah, people still serve me off the table. It would be nice to have that not be the case and I do need to get better at it. |
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Chairman Meow
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Any medium soft or soft rubber would work well (excluding anti and pips). Maybe one of the Xiom Vega series? or Hurricane 3-50?
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-H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |
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bbkon
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what spinny grippy rubber can be used for kids learning to spin the ball? not cheap hard rock sponge...haifu,syline 3.60...? |
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Kolev
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Yesterday I spent some good three hours playing with my new Rakza 10 and I must say I am impressed by its control/spin/speed ratio. Superb feeling, but my answer to the OP would be that with the new ball there isn't such a difference in the spin properties of the new tensors. Most likely the ball will come back. What matters is the ability to keep the pace of the ball and applying pressure. Spin helps to keep the ball on the table and unfortunately it isn't the most important factor to make a point(for now)
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liXiao
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Become a better player and it doesn't matter. I don't mean to be an asshole when I say that, but if you're that worried about spin sensitivity why don't you just play with anti? Good technique will pay massive dividends as you become a better player, so you should know how to read and counter spin accordingly.
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frogger
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Excellent point. Spin means nothing if the ball keeps coming back and you lose the point. |
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wilkinru
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I'm worried that what makes a top sheet spinny also makes a top sheet sensitive to spin.
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Chairman Meow
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Used Tenergy!! |
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-1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator"
-H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |
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wilkinru
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I hate comments like this because it makes me want to switch rubber. Baracuda is all I'm using for now, tho. Mostly because the price is simply more friendly to my occasional table hits. It would be very nice to find a rubber that was less spin sensitive on passive play and had very similar properties to t05 or barracuda with a price under $40 USD. That would be my holy grail of TT rubber. Edited by wilkinru - 06/26/2017 at 4:48pm |
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icontek
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You think so? Tenergy has a weight that feels like water moving inside a tank. I don't feel that in ESN Tensors.
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unstopabl3
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Which sponge thickness you use for rakza 7 soft? Generally I've used it for my weak BH and felt it to be a bit soft and weak for strong FH attack. |
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gianquittia
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I find rakza 7 soft pretty spinny. Tenergy 05 is spinny as well. Victas v > 01 is pretty grippy and spinny. Rakza 7 soft is my fav of the 3, because it is lighter. I like them all away from the table. But opening loops closer to the table, my hit percentage goes up substantially with rakza 7 soft. It's probably a bit more forgivable.
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Timo Boll Zlf
FH Yasaka Rakza 7 1.9 BH Yasaka Rakza 7 Soft 1.9 |
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Hozuki
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Neither manufacturer invented the wheel anew.
Just different fancy names for the same technology, using similar chemical processes. |
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Matt Pimple
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For all we know it definitely is not because "Tensor" is a tradename of ESN in Germany. |
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rchebel
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yes mate! Butterfly advertises as "high tension technology". So... Tensor or Tensioned or High Tension or whatever |
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Hozuki
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Yes, very true. But despite being so obvious, I wonder if anyone actually ever did this and posted his findings online?
If sb could do this it certainly would be of great benefit. I have thought about it and came to the conclusion that a camera with around 300 FPS will should be sufficient to reliably measure the spin. Edited by Hozuki - 06/23/2017 at 1:19pm |
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frogger
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Visual comparison is very subjective. The only way to find the real answer is through scientific measurements. RPM per sec. with high speed camera's is the right way to find the truth. |
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MindTrip
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I've been having good results with Bluestorm Z3.
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penholderxxx
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For all we know or may not know, Tenergy may be 'tensor'.
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GeneralSpecific
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Right and I disagree with the sentiment that there is no tensor spinnier than Tenergy 05. |
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Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL
Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
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Matt Pimple
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Nobody said it is! But the OP did ask for a tensor that is spinnier than T05. |
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GeneralSpecific
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Tenergy is not a tensor. I would also, generally, disagree with your sentiment but that's a conversation for another thread. |
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Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL
Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
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taczkid
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no tensor is spinnier than tenergy!
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liXiao
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Rakza 7 generates unbelievable spin. I think it's spinnier than Baracuda personally, but I never liked Baracuda even when I boosted it.
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GeneralSpecific
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I have experience with all 3. Omega V Euro is an excellent rubber too but it's a little more bouncy and I feel like it doesn't have enough dwell time to produce the same level of spin on medium and slower strokes. At full thrust it is equal to Tour and Asia but quite often we are hitting softer than that. |
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Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL
Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
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adishorul
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I am sure you want to say omega v euro :)) |
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