What blade has more Catapult effect ?

Boll ALC has a lot

Garaydia ALC > ZJK/Visc > HL5 => Apolonia ZLC (depending on weight)

sidespinBH wrote: Thank you guys I an surprised how the koto has more catapult effect than the limba outer ply of freitas, long 5 and apolonia I really expected to hear the opposite. .. I mean hinoki is more flexible than limba and koto So hinoki of garaydia has the most catapult of all But how is it possible for koto to have more catapult than limba ? Can you simply justify this in few words ?

 

I played with Spirit, Viscaria, Timo Boll ALC, Zhang Jike ALC and Zhang Jike SZLC. The most catapult effect (and generate the more spin) has definitely Zhang Jike SZLC (which has the most speed and control).

Except the Zjk SZLC in my opinion Timo Boll ALC has the most catapult effect.

Hard outer to soft core will have more catapult than soft outer to hard core. Also bigger heads have more but depend also on the plies. Viscaria has more catapult than TBS and TB ALC.

Thanks for the information vlad0

Though the Viscaria has a hard outer but hasn't a soft core it's kiri which is somewhat hard...

Bars the long 5 is both soft outer and soft core what happens in this case ?

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Edited by ria - 06/28/2017 at 11:45am

1dennistt wrote: I think Butterfly found a sweet spot in blade construction in the Viscaria, and have been working around it in various ways ever since.  Tweak a little on the thickness here or there and give it a new name.  It has been discussed on the forum a number of time the differences between the various ALC offerings, and most seem to agree that there is often more variation in a group of Viscaria blades than there is differences between the different ALC blades.  For instance a 85 gm Viscaria doesn't play like a 95 gm Viscaria. ZLC seems to be a new variation to address the new balls we have had forced on us, whether it is a real improvement depends on exactly what you are looking for in a blade.   For what you are asking for, I think a Viscaria would be a good choice.  Or something similar  .  For instance the hande size on the Boll blades is somewhat smaller, so if that suits just get one of them.  There are so many variables, good luck in your blade search.

ZLC long predated the new balls.  It is just a new variation.  Some people like it more than ALC, some don't.  Question of taste and to some extent, what you are used to.  Among those blades listed my advice is find one with a handle and weight you are really comfortable with.  And also try your clubmate's blades.  It is the only way to know if you like it before buying.  Words on the internet are useless and I wasted quite a bit of money before figuring that out.

(Among other things, how many people will have tried ALL of the blade the OP listed?  Assuming someone has tried one of each, it is already about $1,000!  And trying one blade of a particular model may not be all that illuminating because there is blade variability within a model.  Also, does everyone posting even agree on what is meant by "catapault effect").

Hey guys that's the word I was looking for : SPRINGY BLADE

By this definition I mean that when the ball hits the opponent's side of table it accelerates more based more on the extra spin and it seems to travel faster so you can assume it has more speed too.

This way I believe that i will cause more trouble to my opponents...

Baal I wish I had the opportunity to try each one of them by club teammates but unfortunately they don't own so expensive blades ,I only had tried primorac carbon, boll spirit and schlager carbon
No boll or zhang jike or freitas alc not even 1 zlc blade .
Furthermore there is no tt store in my place where I can test handle shapes...

That's why I am asking your opinion from what you have tested to come closer to the right choice for me

The more you search the more the questions ,
Should I go to zlc Hans? You mean that they have more gears and are more springy than zjk alc and Viscaria ? Do you lack the feel because of the increased hardness ?
Whats your opinio the zhang jike zlc or szlc ?

It is very hard to compare blades over the internet...the best you can do is get information on what others prefer.  What we can't tell you is whether a ALC or ZLC will feel/perform better for you. 

I can't agree with Hans comments. I own both a Boll ALC as well as a Apolonia ZLC (which is very similar to the IF ZLC) and I've owned a Mizutani SZLC. The SZLC was more direct in my opinion. Besides on super hard loops, the Apo ZLC has a less pronounced throw than the ALC blades in my opinion. When you really give it the beans, the Apo will produce more throw because of the composition but by and large I would describe the Boll ALC as overall higher throw.

As you can easily see it will again very much depend on the player. I might sell both so you can buy and test them ;)

Edited by h0n1g - 06/29/2017 at 11:40am

I like the Viscaria the best (have used it for ten years, I own too many of them).  I think it optimizes pretty much every variable (some of which are trade-offs).  The handle could be just a little larger for me but grip wrap solves the problem completely.  It is springy enough.  Fast enough.  Control enough.  Soft enough.  Balanced enough.  It is like driving a BMW 3 series. 

I have also tried the ZJK ALC (have owned four), it is rather similar, but falls just short in overall ball feeling and general usability (which is probably why ZJK does not use a ZJK blade).  It also costs more for no good reason.

I think ZLC blades are fine but are way too expensive for whatever advantage they might give you, and some people like the feel of ALC blades better (I do).  If there was no such thing as ALC, I would use ZLC for sure.

I have no good idea what the others are like.  Assuming the Freitas is a bit like a Maze and a Garaydia is a bit like an Iolite, the Freitas would be good too if you like the handle.  I liked the blade itself in a Maze (I was never that concerned with whether the outer surface was limba or koto, I could easily get used to either one).  But I hated the Maze handle.  That will depend on your hand size and grip and the Freitas handle looks from pictures to be more conventional. 

The Iolite was very fast and stiff, even though the feeling of ball impact was kind of soft (and the handle seemed to be made for smallish teenage Asian girls).  It never really caught on.  I have found in the past that blades with that kind of construction are totally horrible in the short game.   Garaydia may well be also and I can't see how making it with zylon instead of arylate would fix that.  Take that with a grain of salt, though, because I haven't tried it.

NextLevel wrote: Garaydia with ZLC is basically an Amultart with a different handle.  I like both blades.

Edited by slevin - 06/29/2017 at 5:11pm