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chop4ever
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I make Reviver so I can't say good for it. However I recommend every one who boosts Chinese rubbers must not use baby oil or Falco, others are okay.
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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zeio
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I can attest that it doesn't last, as many clubmates switched to BW 2 and they were shocked by lamination.
Blue Whale 2 was a hit in 2009 and 2010. After glue ban, DHS came up with the ill-fated #19 Yunhai Sponge. It was a total flop. Haifu came out with the Blue Whale 2 and the all-mighty booster. Many top CNT members switched for a brief while and it is said it ate into the margins of DHS so much that LGL had to ban it from the national team. |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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BeaverMD
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That says a lot right there LOL!
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Hozuki
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Isn't it Haifu's factory tuned version of H2?
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chop4ever
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However, the price of Blue Whale(s) are unrealistic for such a kind of rubber. In my view, even BW3 (factory tuned) is weaker than H3 (original untuned). |
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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young dude
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Boosting has no disadvantages besides possibly shortening the lifespan of the rubber / sponge, but not by much. If you are playing the non- Neo version of Hurricane rubbers, boosting is all but a must. Neo rubbers also benefit significantly from boosting as well, although not as much as non - Neo Hurricanes.
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zeio
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Blue Whale 2 went for roughly US$12 a piece, which was competitive compared with H3's $15, until you found out the hard way where those 3 dollars went.
OTOH, the Blue Whale 3 was of really high quality, and came with an equally high price tag of $60. For reference, the provincial H3 with the old top sheet was going for roughly $20. I had the chance to try out a national blue sponge H3 and a Blue Whale 3 on the Ebenholz NCT VII and both were good and got the same job done, so it is worth it if you have some extra money lying around. |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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chop4ever
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Opps, sorry! I have research on the recent prices and have found a similar price as yours. In this case, BW2+booster would be the best alternative for H3. Please note that H3 price has been increased much higher than $15. |
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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zeio
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Commercial is still selling for roughly that price in Hong Kong, and is even lower in China. Provincial is the one that has skyrocketed over the years, from $20 to $33.
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Fulanodetal
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Thanks for the info guys!!
I had forgotten than Haifu BW2 was a clone of Tibhar Grip-s. Or is it the other way around, can't remember....
Have read a few reviews in other sites and a lot of them note that Haifu BW2 lasts about a month. My H3 BS seem to last about 12 months give or take. I can't practice as often and I do have more than one racket. FdT |
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bschap
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I played with my first chinese rubber ever last week...Dianchi D. Also it comes pre-boosted. It was a very interesting experience and def makes me think about trying more chinese rubber. My Q, let's say w DHS rubber...do any of them come pre-boosted? I def don't want to start doing my own boosting. Would only be int in buying a pre-boosted rubber. So, which ones come pre-boosted?
Thanks.
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Chairman Meow
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Anything 'neo' comes pre-boosted. H8 is pre boosted. Tinarc is on a #60 sponge, so it shouldn't need boosting. Goldarc 5&8 are ESN, and don't need boosting either.
H8 is probably your best bet, as the 'neo' rubbers run out of factory tuning after they are played with enough.
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-1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator"
-H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |
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bschap
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Thanks. how hard is H8 (hard)? Harder than ten 05?
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Chairman Meow
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Yes. It comes in 39 and 40 degrees, which is harder than Tenergy.
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-1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator"
-H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |
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bschap
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ah ok...so even H8 regular is harder than Ten 05?
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Chairman Meow
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yes
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-1 ply Cypress 11.5mm "The Castigator"
-H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |
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mog1111
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regarding boosting, try hurricane 3 neo on a yasaka ma lin extra offensive and tell me its slow??
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emihet
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i can't use chinese rubber well if i don't boost/tune it
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Viscaria, Ma Long 5, Old Clippers, BTY Ovtcharov and Various Custom blades
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wanchope
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Does the nittaku hurricane 3 neo require boosting after a month or two?
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Barwell fleet, Omega 7 Pro & Fastarc S1
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TT newbie
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Since this topic is about boosting, which chinese rubber you guys think becomes the best after boosting?
Would it be H3 Neo? Or TG3, TG3N, H2N or something else?
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icontek
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Best? At my level, with my limited footwork: TG2 was the most user friendly after Falco Long. H3Neo was the most powerful, but only if your footwork and stroke was good... TG2Neo is a bit of a compromise, more of the neo speed, but not as easy to use as TG2 boosted. H2 was only useful for counterattacking topspin; the low throw made openings against heavy underspin more difficult than TG2 or H3. |
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ohwell
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They all perform best boosted, so it's just a matter of which one suits your playing the best. I like h3n. It's just savage when spinning hard, but has control in spades when slowing down. It's topsheet + pimples are also quite supple for a traditional tacky rubber.
Edited by ohwell - 09/27/2017 at 6:42pm |
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LUCKYLOOP
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Addressing thread question, play with any of the Hurricane rubbers right out of the package before you boost vs players you normally play at club, what are your results. Then compare your results using the same rubbers boosted by you. That will answer you personal question. |
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Yinhe T-2 / 4H Xiom Sig Pro 2 2.0 BH Xiom Omega IV Elite Max Gam DC / 4H DHS Hurricane 8 39deg 2.1 BH GD CC LP OX HARDBAT / Hock 3 ply / Frenshp Dr Evil OX |
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el luchador
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guys, boosting/juicing is illegal.
If you are going to break the rules anyway why not do it right and use some real stuff like speed glue
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Do or do not, there is no try- Yoda
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berndt_mann
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Yeah. Don't be a wuss about it. If you're gonna break the rules, you might as well break 'em right. I, as a reformed speed gluer who saw the light in 1997, highly recommend Rema (Tip-Top) vulcanizing fluid. It's cheap, $2.43 for a 5 gram tube, works great on sealing up your bicycle tires, and was the choice of champions before a whole bunch of manufacturers came up with their own speed glues.
Edited by berndt_mann - 09/28/2017 at 9:31pm |
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bmann1942
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Baal
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Indeed.
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ohwell
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Because we all want to be gluing every day all day! |
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zeio
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First, they don't make speedglue the way it was meant to be glued anymore. TSP speedglue. Butterfly speedglue. No more.
Second, they don't make rubbers the way it was meant to be glued anymore. Old H3. Bryce Hard. No more. |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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icontek
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if you want a chinese FH rubber that doesn't need boosting to make the low to mid end speed useful,
try Sanwei Target National. It plays like a faster spinnier version of tinarc, but feels more like a controllable, harder sponged H3. Sure it's lacking the top end speed of boosted H3... But the spin to speed ratio is good (the kick, after table contact) and the arc is low when you drive... I really don't have any complaints. |
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Kolev
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How exactly do you use this stuff? Do you have to reglue every time as with the SG? Can the rubber be removed easily after using this glue? Thanks |
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