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Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

First time I really got surprised today: Joola ZeleBRO, 90g, clocking in at 1526hz. Faster than a TB ALC


Do you find it slower than TB ALC?
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I haven't played w it yet. Just got it yesterday. But from all descriptions and the materials, I would've thought it's slightly slower or even to the TB, not 100hz higher.
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Hi I tried this in App store Advanced Spectrum Analyzer PRO and only a $5.99 one came up is there
a version not in Android?

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any good FREE iphone apps? 

i have tried Audio Spectrum Analyzer HD but it does not store the numbers/chart. I had to keep looking at the screen while bouncing the ball. it does show the peak value.
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Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

I haven't played w it yet. Just got it yesterday. But from all descriptions and the materials, I would've thought it's slightly slower or even to the TB, not 100hz higher.


Frequency is a measure of stiffness not speed.
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I believe this topic has been covered a fair amount before so I'm not going to argue it all over again.
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I used Visual Audio v.1.0.3 (iOS). I don't know if the measurements are compatible with those by the Apps listed at the start of the thread. I used Visual Audio because it is free, identifies peak and averages several bounces.
Settings used: aquisition rate 8,000 kHz, Level calibration 140 dB, duration 20s. I averaged 2 runs: each run produces several close peak resonace freqs (e.g. 1125 and 1123) those were averaged prior to averaging two runs.
Donier Defensive  84.6g  946.5
Stiga Allround Classic WRB (1998)  70.3g  1061
TSP Swat  80.8g  1123.5
Donic Burn All+  77.4g  1124
Andro Temper Tech All+  70g  1147  (in some runs I get 1216 peak instead)
Xiom Fuga  76g  1269.5
Palio CAT  68.4g  1484.5
Yinhe T11+  68.4g  1736.5 

I have expected TSP Swat to have higher frequency (it is 7ply). Could be getting lower peak due to somewhat light weight that I got.  The blade plays very nicely BTW.

**Edited Donic-Tibhar mixup


Edited by Dream1700 - 03/24/2018 at 1:49pm
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Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

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TSP Swat  80.8g  1123.5
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I have expected TSP Swat to have higher frequency (it is 7ply). Could be getting lower peak due to somewhat light weight that I got.  The blade plays very nicely BTW.

Weight does not affect the frequency much. There are other 7ply blades with low stiffness/speed/frequency, such as Nexy Lissom or Nexy Higgs.
So no worries about the correctness of your measures.
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Swat does feel faster than Burn All+ while playing but not by much.  This is the only slight inconsistency (expected or observed speed vs frequency) that see in the above blade lineup so far.

TSP Swat  80.8g  1123.5
Tibhar Burn All+  77.4g  1124

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thanks, folks, i found this is very interesting. one application is to put blades from other brands on butterfly's infamous "reaction/vibration properties" matrix. i think the vibration properties should be some measure very close to the frequency. 
there's a blog (ttgearlab.com) i accidentally found by googling around that proposed some quantitative measurements as well. i think we will get something real in this direction.
over the years, i gradually got sick of a lot reviews with all non-quantitative description. it's just like how i describe my dinner last night. i can only get more confused after the reading. 
thanks for making it right.
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I have not had a Darker 1-ply (this one is 84gr) in hand for a long time and...WOW!

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Edited by fatt - 03/13/2018 at 5:16pm
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Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

Swat does feel faster than Burn All+ while playing but not by much.  This is the only slight inconsistency (expected or observed speed vs frequency) that see in the above blade lineup so far.
TSP Swat  80.8g  1123.5
Tibhar Burn All+  77.4g  1124

I've come across several of both blades, IMO the Swat is considerably faster.

fatt: Thanks for posting that picture, I had wondered what a 1-ply would look like Thumbs Up

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Hello everyone! How to measure the frequency of the blade?
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Here is my Kokutaku Bishu nยบ1 Specialist, 92g, about 9.2~9.3mm if I'm not mistaken...

2045 Hz, very close to your Darker



Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I have not had a Darker 1-ply (this one is 84gr) in hand for a long time and...WOW!

2110 


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Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

Swat does feel faster than Burn All+ while playing but not by much.ย  This is the only slight inconsistency (expected or observed speed vs frequency) that see in the above blade lineup so far.

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TSP Swatย  80.8gย  1123.5
Tibhar Burn All+ย  77.4gย  1124





Burn All+ made by Donic, not Tibhar
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Hi shinshiro, on your screen capture it seems you could have gathered a higher value on the far right of the yellow curve.
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Hi shinshiro, on your screen capture it seems you could have gathered a higher value on the far right of the yellow curve.

From what I understood, I tought I was supossed to pick the value from the second peak, but I'm not sure (I think I read this somewhere a few months ago, not sure exactly where...).

Maybe h0n1g or Arg0 can help us on this.


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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

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Burn All+ made by Donic, not Tibhar

thank you for catching it. fixed in the original post.
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When I record, there's usually two peaks. One ranges around 900 while the other around 9500?? And the blade is supposed to be an allround+ to off- blade according to the person who sold it to me. Am I doing something wrong?

BTW I just followed argo's post on the first page using Audacity

EDIT: I tried again with a Koto ALC blade with the same result.


Edited by VSDG - 04/01/2018 at 9:28pm
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sorry i've been away on biz trips almost the entire last months. Finally managed to update the sheet with all the new submissions.

Thanks to everybody for contributing


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I will try to help you with this thread. I've got more than 20 blade to test
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I have a SoulSpin Roots Offensive 3, all wood 5ply, Spruce+Spruce+Kiri and noticed recently that SoulSpin rated its speed the same Tempo as its ZLC inner Roots 8 which also has Spruce outer. So Last night I did a Frequency test on the all wood Roots 3 with Audacity and was expecting something close to 1500 ish and instead 1781 appeared no matter how many test I did. The blade is stiff even though SoulSpin rates it as soft.
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Originally posted by lineup32 lineup32 wrote:

I have a SoulSpin Roots Offensive 3, all wood 5ply, Spruce+Spruce+Kiri and noticed recently that SoulSpin rated its speed the same Tempo as its ZLC inner Roots 8 which also has Spruce outer. So Last night I did a Frequency test on the all wood Roots 3 with Audacity and was expecting something close to 1500 ish and instead 1781 appeared no matter how many test I did. The blade is stiff even though SoulSpin rates it as soft.

Spruce is bouncy. Also, evaluating spruce / hinoki is a bit tricky as mentioned in posts above.

This method gives us good info but it is just 1 piece. It does not give us how powerful the blade catapault would be because of flex.

For example: MJ ZLC would probably give a low rating (<1500). But, on large hits, the blade exhibits catapault due to flex that a stiffer blade with a higher rating (like Garaydia ZLC) would not.
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please remember while higher pitch usually means stiffer it isnt always the case, take a 11 gauge and 9 gauge guitar string the 11 gauge can be lower pitch and stiffer. While sound test is fun and all there are many variables affecting frequency
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From what I learned here, [stiff <> flexy] and [soft <> hard].

We would like to think the higher the pitch in the frequency test the faster the ball; we have discussed many times it's not true even though it is very likely to be the case. What are the other factors that would go against the expected meaning of the expected high pitch/high speed combo?

I can only see one: how are the shock waves amortized and distributed by the materials, how the glue behind the 1st ply lets or not those waves go through, how does the 2nd ply let the shock waves go through etc...

What does it take to get a slow blade giving a high frequency and a fast blade giving a low one? I can't find a pattern.



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