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Originally posted by wanchope wanchope wrote:

Following these results, it's obvious that S5 is an extremely fast blade. However you saw all those people saying it actually feels slow, an off- or maybe even an all. Mine is arriving later this week. I'm so curious.

And, have you had a chance to measure the frequency?
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Already submitted via the Google Form, but I thought I also post it here:
ARTTE Nuvola ST, 85 g, 1237 Hz
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Sheet has been updated with all submissions. I've been travelling a bit lately so slower than usual. I will try to update this once a week going forward.
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I still haven't got my blade yet.... TT11 shipping has been slow during this summer
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Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

updated.

I noticed you removed most of the duplicate entries (many were in the data I provided, sorry).
Unfortunately, there are still a few left. I noticed the following:
Butterfly    Boll Spark    89    1160
Butterfly    Boll Spark    83    1162
Butterfly    Boll Spark    82    1240
Butterfly    Grubba ALL+    80    1101
ITC    Challenge Speed    89    1378
Stiga    Clipper     91    1356
Stiga    Energy Wood WRB    81    1199

I have data of a number of Nexy blades that are not in the table.
What is faster for you, if I post them here or if I use the web form?
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If you use the web from, I can just copy and paste
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I am charging an old tmobile android that I could have traded in for $15 when I upgraded; he he I knew I did the right thing keeping it.

Waiting for the charge to happen I was reading data and some funny stuff emerges, like this:
The monophonic is probably the slowest ever among the excellent blades I tested: it's ideal to learn the bh loop for example: we go for it and the ball leaves soooo slooooowwww :) while the violin is clearly OFF when its 85 gr or more yet it seems they have very close frequencies.

NittakuMonophonic1141
NittakuViolin
1150

As usual those endeavors are indicators with exceptions. they will give their best in conjunction with other variables. It gets quickly very complicated though: stiffness? shock absorption? dampening?COR? phew...my head's spinning already.

I will measure the following blades this weekend:

-Tibhar Balsa ST
-Nittaku Violin FL
-Nexy Akrasia FL
-Butterfly Innerforce ALC.S FL
-Butterfly BalsaCarbon X5 FL




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I also have expressed doubts as to whether the frequency represents blade speed, but the OP prefers to leave this topic for other threads.

In any case, I don't feel Violin, even with 85+ grams, is an OFF blade. I think it's ALL+ or, at most, OFF-.
I never played a Monophonic: is there really that much difference?
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By the way, just to be clear, I do not believe frequency represents absolute blade speed. I do believe that it is a strong indicator in most cases. I think it's great if people discuss this but we already have multiple threads on that matter and this thread in particular should just be a resource and place to share new data, not for a theory crafting discussion
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I would agree with arg0 on the Violin, I would def not rate it OFF even at 88g with a large handle. OFF-/ALL+ is what would come to my mind.
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Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

By the way, just to be clear, I do not believe frequency represents absolute blade speed. I do believe that it is a strong indicator in most cases.
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Totally agree. We always get exceptions but this is generally true.
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With the android app, I get 1227 for violin, 1679 for akrasia and 1448 for balsacarbo x5. Before reporting the values through the web interface, I want to ask if I did everything right:

here is what I did:

After taking sample, I bring the purple (or green, same...) vertical axis at the level of the maximum amplitude between the white and yellow functions, which is also the maximum height of the yellow function, giving the M1 values above (Note that zooming on the result allows a better reading to better pin on the highest point).

Is this the correct process?



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I cannot confirm since I never used the Android app, but the numbers seem plausible to me.
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

With the android app, I get 1227 for violin, 1679 for akrasia and 1448 for balsacarbo x5. Before reporting the values through the web interface, I want to ask if I did everything right:

here is what I did:

After taking sample, I bring the purple (or green, same...) vertical axis at the level of the maximum amplitude between the white and yellow functions, which is also the maximum height of the yellow function, giving the M1 values above (Note that zooming on the result allows a better reading to better pin on the highest point).

Is this the correct process?





That is correct
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Originally posted by SmileTT SmileTT wrote:

Here are my findings! No real surprises to me. Recorded using Arg0's method with Audacity.
Avalox<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>BT555<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">          </span>85<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>1245 
Butterfly<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>M. Maze<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">          </span>88<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>1414
Butterfly<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>Viscaria<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">          </span>85<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>1455
Nittaku<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>Acoustic C-O<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>91<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>1347
Nittaku<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>Basaltec-O<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">          </span>88<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>1402
Yinhe<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>V-16<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">               </span>89<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>1578<span ="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre">     </span>

Thank you h0n1g for all your work! Let's get more data in everyone! 



I would like to know the numbers for rosewood7 eb7 and carbonados
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I'm pretty sure that the first 2 "DHS" blades in the list, T11+ and N9, are in fact Yinhe/Galaxy.

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Blades by Levi Cedar/Basalt/Cedar/Kiri.    1558. 87g

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Any Tibhar Samsonov Stratus Carbon blades around, really interested to see the measurment.
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h0n1g,
here's over 50 more data points that I have measured over time. I found no duplicates with those currently in the database. Putting those individually into the submission form would take me ages, so I'm attaching a CSV file to this post. Let me know if you have problems in copy-pasting from it.
Note: I had to rename it to .csv.txt, otherwise the system would not let me upload it. Just remove the .txt extension.

uploads/20417/Frequencies.csv.txt

Note that the BBC blade on line 2 is called 9-10-9. I had to put it between single quotes in the CSV file, otherwise Excel would interpret it as a date.

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That's a lot of great data arg0! I'm happy I could see ratings for many different nexy blades that I have been curious about.
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Yes... well, still a few missing... what would be a good way to supplement the data? 

Could a vendor kick in... maybe?
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Added my new Stiga Clipper, also weighted and measured frequency on a bunch of blades.
From what I can remeber:
4 different Celero blades all similar weight all in the 1150 range
3 or 4 Allround NCT all 75 grams all in the 1100-1120 range
Carbonado 90, 86 grams, 1350ish
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Originally posted by 6Finger 6Finger wrote:

Added my new Stiga Clipper, also weighted and measured frequency on a bunch of blades.
From what I can remeber:
4 different Celero blades all similar weight all in the 1150 range
3 or 4 Allround NCT all 75 grams all in the 1100-1120 range
Carbonado 90, 86 grams, 1350ish


whats the number for a clipper?
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by 6Finger 6Finger wrote:

Added my new Stiga Clipper, also weighted and measured frequency on a bunch of blades.
From what I can remeber:
4 different Celero blades all similar weight all in the 1150 range
3 or 4 Allround NCT all 75 grams all in the 1100-1120 range
Carbonado 90, 86 grams, 1350ish


whats the number for a clipper?


Off the chart, Clipper Wood had two measurements averaging 1310.
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Clipper was 85 grams and 1280. Lightest and slowest one they had.
Usually non wrb ones with legend handle are 95+ grams. Extra 10 grams gives it soeed too.
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?Хиггс 1100 ? Медленнее  Фанатика ?!
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Originally posted by Hudoi Hudoi wrote:

?Хиггс 1100 ? Медленнее  Фанатика ?!

Use English please. Google translate translates to ""Higgs 1100?" Slower Fanatic?"
Doesn't make much sense to me.
Anyway, Nexy Higgs is advertised as a fast blade. Mine wasn't. It would help getting frequency data from another Higgs.
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