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    Posted: 07/14/2017 at 12:32pm
Surely, this table tennis event belongs to the World's Sports History forever.
[1] J.O. Waldner beats Liu Guoliang to clean off his way to Men's Single Final, Sydney Olympics 2000.
This frenzy battle, it was some a continued thriller, with a happy end for Europa. All the European nations were then delighted and proud about Waldner's success very much. Myself including     



[2] [3] [4] [5] Actually, every time Europa succeded to defeat Chinese whether for a World or Olympic title it was a great memorable moment for the sport, it was very much akin to a heroic feat, it was somewhat a Miracle.


It is interesting to hear your own Best Moments you think deserving a place here.   
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The greatest moment was when Ryu Seung Min destroyed Wang Hao at the Athens 2004 Olympics final!

The next best performance was the lesson Ryu gave to Waldner in the Athens 2004 semifinal


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In my opinion no moment was greater than both Koreas together beating China in 1991 WTTC.
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kreanga saving match point v. he zhi wen in the last 64 before reaching the semis in ms wttc 2003 was awesome: it's not over until it is over!!!

same for schlager saving 4 match points in the 1/4 that same year.

I am still in shock about liu guozheng saving all those match points v. kim taek soo in Osaka 2001; that match was incredible
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No 5 to 1 are all in this video:

Take your pick.
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Michael Maze vs Hao Shuai QF 2005 WTTC
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2000 world championships final, the very last time that anyone was able to take on and win against China, not sure how long it would be before something like that.
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Originally posted by rocketman222 rocketman222 wrote:

2000 world championships final, the very last time that anyone was able to take on and win against China, not sure how long it would be before something like that.


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well, it took ten years..........lol


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No one has mentioned Glenn Cowan and Zhuang Zedong in 1971 yet, the beginning of PingPong Diplomacy. In terms of World events, that's surely the greatest moment in the sport's history.
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Originally posted by HuLimei HuLimei wrote:

Originally posted by rocketman222 rocketman222 wrote:

2000 world championships final, the very last time that anyone was able to take on and win against China, not sure how long it would be before something like that.




...except that 'Singapore' beating China in 2010 was CNT rejects beating the current CNT. Cynical but true.
The United Korea win in 1991 was greater.
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Originally posted by HuLimei HuLimei wrote:

Originally posted by rocketman222 rocketman222 wrote:

2000 world championships final, the very last time that anyone was able to take on and win against China, not sure how long it would be before something like that.



I should have made it clear, China men's team.
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This development really changed the game...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CJURtUbHh0


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Arguably the greatest development in the game was the development of the forehand drive. In a photograph from a 1901 issue of Windsor Magazine in an article by a fellow last name Harrison a player is shown with a follow through high and to the right side of his head quite possibly stroking a topspin drive against what was then called a cut shot (chop). 

Not a great deal of core rotation.  Left forearm down by his left thigh.  He was using a short handled racket of some kind, not a battledore.  Difficult to tell from the photograph with sort of grip he was using--possibly a prehistoric version of a shakehands grip. 

As we all know, the forehand drive went on to become the primary shot of almost all of the champions of table tennis, with the exception of Barna (and maybe Persson). In the past few years, as students of the modern game can tell you and some can demonstrate, the Chiquita banana flick has supplanted the forehand drive, now called the forehand loop, as the primary point winning shot in the sport.

Nevertheless, should a point go beyond a serve and a Chiquita return for a winner, the forehand, in its boosted loop version, still plays an important role in the way modern table tennis is played, though as a stroke, it is probably around 120 years old, possibly older.
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"Arguably the greatest development in the game was the development of the forehand drive. In a photograph from a 1901 issue of Windsor Magazine in an article by a fellow last name Harrison a player is shown with a follow through high and to the right side of his head quite possibly stroking a topspin drive against what was then called a cut shot (chop). "

Is what you're describing in your post what Johnny Leach is doing in the first minutes of this clip?...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5jGl42Ol_k&list=PLtpaJ_DTI7z7FRbUwA44j61jKbcGB3snq&index=3


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Is what you're describing in your post what Johnny Leach is doing in the first minutes of this clip?...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5jGl42Ol_k&list=PLtpaJ_DTI7z7FRbUwA44j61jKbcGB3snq&index=3

No.  In that clip, Leach is generally forehand and backhand chopping against Bohumil Vana's forehand drive, mixing in an occasional forehand counterdrive.  But the shot in the 1901 photograph in my post looked to me as though it was made with the arm going upwards almost vertically, grazing the ball in what we would call today a "high throw" stroke.  Leach's forehand counterdrive was first forward then upward.

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I was referring to the upwards strokes. Looks to me like he would put some top spin on that ball, although I can't really tell how much. Later in the clip you can see more upward strokes as well. Even some strokes strikingly similar to a backhand Loop!!

I love this documentary...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCmXHKuJfOM&list=PLtpaJ_DTI7z7FRbUwA44j61jKbcGB3snq


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1991 Chiba World Champs.
Korean women team did crushed the Chinese "invincible".    Best lovely memories of mine.

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Anytime a Chinese got beaten by a player from another
nation is a great moment in this sport.
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Otiliya Badescu, a prodigy speedster of Romania.   Miu Hirano would eat her hat (panties).



As being on her highest pick at the 1993 World Cup, Badescu swept away all the rivals, and she got eliminated in semis, just an inch from the final goal.    Frenzy pace of play, indeed.     
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If we are considering the greatest MOMENT in TT's history, then surely Hirano Miu's victory at Wuxi, in April of 2017, must rank as one. Over the course of two days, in 3 separate matches, encompassing a dramatic reversal, and two clean sweeps, she managed to defeat 3 of the top Chinese players in succession.
She did all these, on Chinese home soil, in Cai's hometown, in the face of hundreds of screaming Chinese fans, to claim victory.
One foreign player knocking off 3 top Chinese players in a single tournament was unthinkable, had never happened before (and probably won't happen again). Breaching the TT Wall of China finally, resoundingly, and single-handed, puts her into TT's history book.


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Well, i´d say when Sweden beat China 5-0 in Dortmund 1989. INSANE!
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Originally posted by Tempest/Comet Tempest/Comet wrote:


If we are considering the greatest MOMENT in TT's history, then
surely Hirano Miu's victory at Wuxi, in April of 2017, must rank as one.
Over the course of two days, in 3 separate matches, encompassing a
dramatic reversal, and two clean sweeps, she managed to defeat 3 of the
top Chinese players in succession.
She did all these, on
Chinese home soil, in Cai's hometown, in the face of hundreds of
screaming Chinese fans, to claim victory.
One foreign player
knocking off 3 top Chinese players in a single tournament was unthinkable, had never happened before (and probably won't happen again).
Breaching the TT Wall of China finally, resoundingly, and single-handed,
puts her into TT's history book.


it happened before. Timo boll did it to wang liquin, wang hao and ma lin in 2005.
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" had never happened before (and probably won't happen again). "

Hyperbole will come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.

2010....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h2lyVUlx3Y


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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

Otiliya Badescu, a prodigy speedster of Romania.   Miu Hirano would eat her hat (panties).



As being on her highest pick at the 1993 World Cup, Badescu swept away all the rivals, and she got eliminated in semis, just an inch from the final goal.    Frenzy pace of play, indeed.     

Hyun Jung Hwa's win over Badescu is one of the greatest moments for sure.
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Originally posted by Fulanodetal Fulanodetal wrote:

" had never happened before (and probably won't happen again). "

Hyperbole will come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.

2010....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h2lyVUlx3Y


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FTW didn't defeat 3 separate Chinese players by herself consecutively in a W Single tournament. But even then the Moscow win was a spectacular and deeply satisfying win against the CNT. But not in the same magnitude as what happen at Wuxi.
I would love to be haunted and bitten, to see someone doing that again, to the CNT in a singles tournament like Hirano did. I would like that very much indeed.


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You need to take the level of the tournament into account. There's a difference between a continental and a world event. Like home games don't really count

So Boll beating 3 top Chinese to win a World Cup is obviously at a bigger magnitude than Miu. Feng's win was a team event so apples to oranges, but still a higher level tournament.

Originally posted by Tempest/Comet Tempest/Comet wrote:

FTW didn't defeat 3 separate Chinese players by herself consecutively in a W Single tournament. But even then the Moscow win was a spectacular and deeply satisfying win against the CNT. But not in the same magnitude as what happen at Wuxi.
I would love to be haunted and bitten, to see someone doing that again, to the CNT in a singles tournament like Hirano did. I would like that very much indeed.

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Originally posted by Fulanodetal Fulanodetal wrote:

" had never happened before (and probably won't happen again). "

Hyperbole will come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.

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I said"probably won't happen again" because the CNT took such 'humiliation' extremely seriously. In the month following Wuxi, they focused on Hirano, and had 4 players mimic her plays to crack her. Whilst they were at it, they also prepared counter measures against other potential disrupters just in case. Such depth in resources are simply not available to other national training systems. After Wuxi, Hirano played against CNT in 4 tournaments and lost every one. Which makes cracking the CNT so sweet. But I take your point about the hyperbole.
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[QUOTE=ZingyDNA]You need to take the level of the tournament into account. There's a difference between a continental and a world event. Like home games don't really count

So Boll beating 3 top Chinese to win a World Cup is obviously at a bigger magnitude than Miu. Feng's win was a team event so apples to oranges, but still a higher level tournament.
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So sorry, but I failed to see the relevance in tournament level difference with the women (magnitude-wise), since it's dealing with the same top Chinese ladies whether it's WTTC, a World Open or Wuxi. (except in this case LSW wasn't in the equation). Unless DN/ZYL/CM's output/performance differs accordingly with the levels of events they participate in.

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Brazilian public all celebrated over Mizutani success. A good many of Braziliero migrated from Japan, you know.

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