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why Skyline 3 not popular anymore? |
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Hozuki
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Posted: 11/20/2017 at 9:11am |
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I forgot to mention TG2 requires a fast flexy blade with hard outer veneers.
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Kolev
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I play shakehand and have TG3NEO on two of mine Hallmark Carbon Extreme(2.15 and 2.2 FH) and recently on the Latika(2.15) T64 is on the BH. Yes I boost them with FTL although not sure if the boost effect is there. Probably it is. |
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icontek
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TG2 (non neo) was fabulous with the celluloid ball. Really predictable and stable, solid control with that "Hurricane" gear for ridiculous spin or powerful speed. But I haven't tried it with the current balls. I was using TG2 Neo for a while and gave up in favor of STN; TG2Neo simply requires too much work on an ALL+ / OFF- blade without boosting.
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bbkon
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whats different in TG3 that is good for a penholder |
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iamj8
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Do you play shakehand or penhold? Also, did you boost your TG3 and what blade do you use? Thanks |
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Kolev
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How do you know that Xu Xin plays with TG3? BTW since few months I am playing with TG3 NEO and really enjoy it. It is deadly and very fast while driving the ball especially when taking it early(my effort to adapt to the P-ball).Very confusing for my opponents. Serve and push are WOW! I wish it had better smash, but when I'm in need I twiddle.
There was a moment in the cell past when I was using this rubber and it did not impress me as much as now..... Maybe I should try the H3 Neo too |
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Hozuki
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You are welcome. H2 is very difficult to use and only caters to a very specific player type.
I would recommend TG2 to your friend as it is the most user friendly in my opinion and it has been well recieved by many players of different playstyles. |
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mjamja
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Thanks for the follow up. My club mate plays with T05 so it might be too much of a change. He tried H2 for a short time but did not like it. He may also have tried H3 with the same result. I will pass your info on to him. After the US Open in Dec he might want to try something different. Mark
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Hozuki
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The original skyline rubbers (TG2 and TG3 and its NEO upgrades) were designed for penhold players. TG2, for example, was specificly designed for Ma Lin. The general idea is that skyline rubbers were optimized for a penhold stroke, which is different from a shakehand one. Thus penholders are more likely to enjoy and play well with skyline rubbers, rather than hurricane ones.
Empirical evidence: Xu Xin, for example is the only penholder left in CNT and he plays with TG3, while the rest of the bunch plays Hurricane 3. But I think it comes down to how you like to contact the ball whether you prefer one or the other. |
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mjamja
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Could you expand on this. I have a pen-hold club mate who I try to help with some coaching. More explanation might help me understand some of the details of pen-hold technique that I do not currently understand. Mark - I am not a real TT coach but I do play one at my club.
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Lightzy
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I've been playing with the skyline 3-60 soft on backhand for a few weeks and I have to say I'm incredibly satisfied with it
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Hozuki
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It's designed for penhold use. Penholders are declining. Ergo less popularity.
Question answered. |
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vanjr
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I ask myself why was skyline ever popular to begin with?
I will admit a strong negative DHS product bias as I have never been impressed with any DHS rubber (or table tennis balls) after numerous attempts to use said products.
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Hozuki
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Nice! I like both the skyline series and your reviews. |
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kakapo
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Wu Yang uses the national version with 38°
Edited by kakapo - 11/19/2017 at 11:06am |
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Def play grey grip 94gr, Venus 2 blue 2,2, Neubauer KO extreme 1,3mm
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ThePongProfessor
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The mid-hard version is 38-40 degrees, while the hard version is 41-43 degrees. I will be reviewing the Skyline series shortly for tabletennis11.com.
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iamj8
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Slightly off topic but does anyone know what hardness the TG3 Neo sponge is?
I got a sheet but there's no hardness rating like with Hurricane 3 Neo.
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A version of Hurricane 3
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obesechopper
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Top sheet is pretty hard, the sponge is super soft! I removed it to transfer and tore off a number of chunks with barely any effort...
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Lightzy
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BTW I tried the skyline3-60 soft today and it's a beautiful rubber. I didn't find it soft however. Not at all.. Maybe it needs to be 'broken in' a bit?
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Lightzy
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This. Humidity and heat malfunction are what kills the dhs tackys. I kept finding myself basically playing with an antispin brick during summer. Its why I switched to 729 battle 2 which doesnt have this problem and is simply better in everything as far as im concerned. It never fails. |
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Kolev
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I am surprised how susceptive to Falco Long the TG3 sponge is, and I mean the original and my latest NEO. They dome easily and the dome seems to last forever |
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bbkon
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what rubber unboosted or unglued kicks after bouncing with low arc like 999 glued? |
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simon_xuan
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I play tuned Tg3 neo on HH3 for the past 3 years. 6 months life tuned 3 times before it becomes permanently domed. I don't have any alternative to kick up 1 more notch yet for its speed. I don't like tuned H3 alternative. But I never tried Tg2 neo though.
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BTY Innerforce ZLC Cpen | DHS H3N Blue Sponge | Victas V>15 Extra Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36695 |
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icontek
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TG2 NEO is higher throw and more versatile TG3 NEO is lower throw and requires you constantly attack with it to make the low, deadly arc pay off (like H2)
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DLC1325
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Are you using the big character version and tuned or untuned? I see three versions on ProTT. The tuned one hasn't been in stock for a while. |
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Matt Pimple
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That could be because it is made by ESN. |
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Chairman Meow
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I tried GA8 briefly on a friend's racket (47.5 degree version), it's sponge and topsheet look almost identical to Fastarc P-1. It plays like it as well.
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-H3 Prov. Blue Sponge 2.2mm 41 deg. -H3 Prov. Orange Sponge 2.1mm 37 deg |
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If youre not looking for a tacky rubber I'd go for Goldarc Series. For instance GA8 is said to be a very fast top quality rubber& matches the best top ESN rubbers
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Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
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skip3119
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============= That's $80 per sheet, blue sponge - currently out-of-stock on that site.
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bbkon
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which dhs rubber is better to an amateu kidr or most forgiving? |
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