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    Posted: 11/20/2017 at 9:11am
I forgot to mention TG2 requires a fast flexy blade with hard outer veneers.
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Originally posted by iamj8 iamj8 wrote:



Do you play shakehand or penhold? Also, did you boost your TG3 and what blade do you use?

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I play shakehand and have TG3NEO on two of mine Hallmark Carbon Extreme(2.15 and 2.2 FH) and recently on the Latika(2.15) T64 is on the BH.
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Originally posted by Hozuki Hozuki wrote:

You are welcome. H2 is very difficult to use and only caters to a very specific player type.
I would recommend TG2 to your friend as it is the most user friendly in my opinion and it has been well recieved by many players of different playstyles.

TG2 (non neo) was fabulous with the celluloid ball. Really predictable and stable, solid control with that "Hurricane" gear for ridiculous spin or powerful speed.

But I haven't tried it with the current balls.

I was using TG2 Neo for a while and gave up in favor of STN; TG2Neo simply requires too much work on an ALL+ / OFF- blade without boosting.
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Originally posted by Hozuki Hozuki wrote:

The original skyline rubbers (TG2 and TG3 and its NEO upgrades) were designed for penhold players. TG2, for example, was specificly designed for Ma Lin. The general idea is that skyline rubbers were optimized for a penhold stroke, which is different from a shakehand one. Thus penholders are more likely to enjoy and play well with skyline rubbers, rather than hurricane ones.
Empirical evidence: Xu Xin, for example is the only penholder left in CNT and he plays with TG3, while the rest of the bunch plays Hurricane 3.
But I think it comes down to how you like to contact the ball whether you prefer one or the other.


whats different in TG3 that is good for a penholder
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Originally posted by Kolev Kolev wrote:

How do you know that Xu Xin plays with TG3? BTW since few months I am playing with TG3 NEO and really enjoy it. It is deadly and very fast while driving the ball especially when taking it early(my effort to adapt to the P-ball).Very confusing for my opponents. Serve and push are WOW! I wish it had better smash, but when I'm in need I twiddle.
There was a moment in the cell past when I was using this rubber and it did not impress me as much as now..... Maybe I should try the H3 Neo too


Do you play shakehand or penhold? Also, did you boost your TG3 and what blade do you use?

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How do you know that Xu Xin plays with TG3? BTW since few months I am playing with TG3 NEO and really enjoy it. It is deadly and very fast while driving the ball especially when taking it early(my effort to adapt to the P-ball).Very confusing for my opponents. Serve and push are WOW! I wish it had better smash, but when I'm in need I twiddle.
There was a moment in the cell past when I was using this rubber and it did not impress me as much as now..... Maybe I should try the H3 Neo too
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You are welcome. H2 is very difficult to use and only caters to a very specific player type.
I would recommend TG2 to your friend as it is the most user friendly in my opinion and it has been well recieved by many players of different playstyles.
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Thanks for the follow up.  My club mate plays with T05 so it might be too much of a change.  He tried H2 for a short time but did not like it.  He may also have tried H3 with the same result.

I will pass your info on to him.  After the US Open in Dec he might want to try something different.

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The original skyline rubbers (TG2 and TG3 and its NEO upgrades) were designed for penhold players. TG2, for example, was specificly designed for Ma Lin. The general idea is that skyline rubbers were optimized for a penhold stroke, which is different from a shakehand one. Thus penholders are more likely to enjoy and play well with skyline rubbers, rather than hurricane ones.
Empirical evidence: Xu Xin, for example is the only penholder left in CNT and he plays with TG3, while the rest of the bunch plays Hurricane 3.
But I think it comes down to how you like to contact the ball whether you prefer one or the other.
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Originally posted by Hozuki Hozuki wrote:

It's designed for penhold use. Penholders are declining. Ergo less popularity.
Question answered.

Could you expand on this.  I have a pen-hold club mate who I try to help with some coaching.  More explanation might help me understand some of the details of pen-hold technique that I do not currently understand.

Mark - I am not a real TT coach but I do play one at my club.
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I've been playing with the skyline 3-60 soft on backhand for a few weeks and I have to say I'm incredibly satisfied with it
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It's designed for penhold use. Penholders are declining. Ergo less popularity.
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I ask myself why was skyline ever popular to begin with? 

I will admit a strong negative DHS product bias as I have never been impressed with any DHS rubber (or table tennis balls) after numerous attempts to use said products.
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Originally posted by patrickhrdlicka patrickhrdlicka wrote:

The mid-hard version is 38-40 degrees, while the hard version is 41-43 degrees. I will be reviewing the Skyline series shortly for tabletennis11.com.


Nice! I like both the skyline series and your reviews.
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Originally posted by patrickhrdlicka patrickhrdlicka wrote:

The mid-hard version is 38-40 degrees, while the hard version is 41-43 degrees. I will be reviewing the Skyline series shortly for tabletennis11.com.

Wu Yang uses the national version with 38°


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The mid-hard version is 38-40 degrees, while the hard version is 41-43 degrees. I will be reviewing the Skyline series shortly for tabletennis11.com.
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Slightly off topic but does anyone know what hardness the TG3 Neo sponge is?

I got a sheet but there's no hardness rating like with Hurricane 3 Neo.
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Originally posted by Lightzy Lightzy wrote:

BTW I tried the skyline3-60 soft today and it's a beautiful rubber. I didn't find it soft however. Not at all.. Maybe it needs to be 'broken in' a bit?

Top sheet is pretty hard, the sponge is super soft! I removed it to transfer and tore off a number of chunks with barely any effort...
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BTW I tried the skyline3-60 soft today and it's a beautiful rubber. I didn't find it soft however. Not at all.. Maybe it needs to be 'broken in' a bit?
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Originally posted by Bobpuls Bobpuls wrote:

I`m playing tg2 national 
and tg3-60 and i`m satisfied .... 
I don like H3 so much ... 
Only shame on the tg3-60 is humidity malfunction ... if humidity is high the rubber lose 50% of its power in spin and grab. Shame . Otherways is just perfect .... If someone is writing about how rubber is not sensitive to incoming spin he did not try tg3-60



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Its why I switched to 729 battle 2 which doesnt have this problem and is simply better in everything as far as im concerned. It never fails.
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Originally posted by simon_xuan simon_xuan wrote:

I play tuned Tg3 neo on HH3 for the past 3 years. 6 months life tuned 3 times before it becomes permanently domed. I don't have any alternative to kick up 1 more notch yet for its speed. I don't like tuned H3 alternative. But I never tried Tg2 neo though.

I am surprised how susceptive to Falco Long the TG3 sponge is, and I mean the original and my latest NEO. They dome easily and the dome seems to last forever
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Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

TG3 NEO feels a lot more like an H2 upgrade than an H3 variant.

TG2 NEO feels like H3 NEO with more control


which dhs rubber is better to an amateu kidr or most forgiving?


TG2 NEO is higher throw and more versatile
TG3 NEO is lower throw and requires you constantly attack with it to make the low, deadly arc pay off (like H2)


what rubber unboosted or unglued kicks after bouncing with low arc like 999 glued?
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I play tuned Tg3 neo on HH3 for the past 3 years. 6 months life tuned 3 times before it becomes permanently domed. I don't have any alternative to kick up 1 more notch yet for its speed. I don't like tuned H3 alternative. But I never tried Tg2 neo though.
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

TG3 NEO feels a lot more like an H2 upgrade than an H3 variant.

TG2 NEO feels like H3 NEO with more control


which dhs rubber is better to an amateu kidr or most forgiving?

TG2 NEO is higher throw and more versatile
TG3 NEO is lower throw and requires you constantly attack with it to make the low, deadly arc pay off (like H2)
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Originally posted by Bobpuls Bobpuls wrote:

Originally posted by DLC1325 DLC1325 wrote:

I'd love to try a TG2 National. 

I`m buying from prott and this is my third tg2 national ....No problems there.
Give it a try.



Are you using the big character version and tuned or untuned? I see three versions on ProTT. The tuned one hasn't been in stock for a while.
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Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

For instance GA8 is said to be a very fast top quality rubber& matches the best top ESN rubbers

That could be because it is made by ESN.
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I tried GA8 briefly on a friend's racket (47.5 degree version), it's sponge and topsheet look almost identical to Fastarc P-1. It plays like it as well.
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If youre not looking for a tacky rubber I'd go for Goldarc Series. For instance GA8 is said to be a very fast top quality rubber& matches the best top ESN rubbers
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Originally posted by Bobpuls Bobpuls wrote:

Originally posted by DLC1325 DLC1325 wrote:

I'd love to try a TG2 National. 
I`m buying from prott and this is my third tg2 national ....No problems there.
Give it a try.
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That's $80 per sheet, blue sponge - currently out-of-stock on that site.
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Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

TG3 NEO feels a lot more like an H2 upgrade than an H3 variant.

TG2 NEO feels like H3 NEO with more control


which dhs rubber is better to an amateu kidr or most forgiving?
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