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A quote from 2010. Still true today but to a lesser extent. There are two more paragraphs, one for Provincial and one for Commercial, but nothing new.

Quote 关于国狂、省狂、狂飚的区别:
国狂是我公司为国家队顶级运动员根据其技术特点量身定做的套胶,符合个人运动员的各种特殊要求,红双喜有专门的团队负责国家队器材保障,北京奥运会,红双喜团队就与国家队一直保持密切的沟通,包括热身赛的跟踪服务。,目前北京奥运会7名参赛队员王皓、王励勤、马琳、马龙、王楠、郭跃、李哓霞都使用红双喜量身定做的国家队套胶,该种套胶因为根据每个人的技术细节,有不同的技术配合方案,在性能参数上更加精细,工艺要求更加严格,量产难度非常高,为保证红双喜产品品质,因此国狂不做市场流通,外形上为“四角”。
National Hurricanes are tailored to the top players of the national team in accordance with their technical traits, and manufactured specifically to individual requirements. A dedicated team has been put together by DHS for the very purpose of securing equipment for the national team. In preparation for the Beijing Olympics, our team has been in close touch with the national team including individual monitoring service during warm-up matches. The seven players participating at this Olympics, Wang Hao, Wang Liqin, Ma Lin, Ma Long, Wang Nan, Guo Yue, Li Xiaoxia respectively, are using DHS sheets custom-made with unique technical formula suited to different playing characteristics; hence a higher precision in performance parameters as well as more rigorous craftsmanship, all of which make mass production impractical. In an effort to ensuring the quality of DHS products, national Hurricanes, in shape of a square, are kept out of circulation of the commercial market.


DHS have made them available for purchase on their official Taobao shop.

National H3

National H3 BS

National H3 Neo BS

Provincial H3

Provincial H3 BS

Gist: They DO exist.

Edited by zeio - 08/15/2017 at 10:36pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

They look at impurities and foaming(pore size) in the sponge. National and Provincial have way less and are much more even than Commercial.

National is said to go through 8 rolls during rubber mixing.
Provincial is said to be 4 rolls.


what do you mean with rolls?
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Originally posted by Fulanodetal Fulanodetal wrote:

"<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Disclaimer:  I don't know squat about National H3, having been a British Leyland hard rubber man from 1997 to 2005.  I don't think that there was a National H3 back then."</span>
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<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Just last night I was watching the final between Wang Liqin and Ma Lin back in Shanghai 2005. Still an amazing game!! Yes I believe Wang was in fact using a Hurricane III on his FH. Sponge was a dark blue one. But I cannot confirm.</span>
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real nath3 for cnt is very low throw and bouncy topsheet mild sticky different smell i know that some cnt players have been selling at the worlds real nat H3 for 80$ and some tops were giving away h3
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"real nath3 for cnt is very low throw and bouncy topsheet mild sticky different smell i know that some cnt players have been selling at the worlds real nat H3 for 80$ and some tops were giving away h3"

Where do you get this idea that Nat Hurricane 3 BS are low throw? Have you personally tried them out yourself or is this conjecture?

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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

They look at impurities and foaming(pore size) in the sponge. National and Provincial have way less and are much more even than Commercial.

National is said to go through 8 rolls during rubber mixing.
Provincial is said to be 4 rolls.


what do you mean with rolls?

Like how you roll the dough when making the pizza base.

Mizuno Q3:


There is also a Japanese program for Butterfly wherein it is briefly shown how the Tenergy Sriver(?) was made in the lab at the Butterfly TEC.

Same for the DHS Institute, where all the CNT custom-made National H3s come from.

Industrial setting:




Edited by zeio - 12/23/2022 at 11:28am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:



Gist: They DO exist.

This doesn't really answer the question "Is National H3 just hype?"  Ok, so DHS is in fact making them and (wow, I'm surprised), they actually show what is different about them i.e. denser sponge and of course that DHS (again wow, official statement) makes them for the CNT.

But again, as an "outsider", I am not convinced that this rubber is anything special especially when tuning is involved.  But hey, if the players that use it enjoy playing with it, I suppose that's what counts.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/17/2017 at 9:15pm
No, it doesn't. It only proves that people could be relieved of the burden that the hype is based around another hype, hence the title of this thread.
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Below is an excerpt from an article published in the 7th volume of Table Tennis World in 2012. The author is Guan Yasong, DHS's Marketing Manager and Product Center Supervisor.

Guan to the left


Quote 红双喜: 特制的秘密,就是没有秘密
...
TTW:省狂和国狂在市场上一直供不应求的状况,为什么不加大生产量呢?
红双喜:专业运动员非常敏感,一些微小变化都能引起技术打法的变形,套胶的差别主要就是各点技术数据的公差范围,国套的公差范围非常小,省套稍微略大一些,市场套胶在一个水平上面。套胶是橡胶制品,保证每个点上的参数一致非常困难,所以国套、省套的比率不会很高,提高质量的话,意味着要做非常多的产品,按照这个比率我才能得到更多的国套和省套,从产能的角度来说是不容许的。

DHS: The secret behind custom-made is that there is no secret
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TTW: Provincial Hurricane and National Hurricane are always in shortage on the market. Why not increase production volume?
DHS: Professionals are very sensitive, even just a little change is enough to cause a distortion on the technical style. The difference in combo rubbers is mostly the tolerance of various parameters. The tolerance for National is the tightest. For Provincial the range is a little larger. Commercial is on a certain level. Combo rubber is a rubber product, as such it is very difficult to assure every parameter is consistent. This is why the yield rates of National and Provincial versions are not as high. If we were to increase volume, it would mean we need to produce many more units to get more National and Provincial versions at those yield rates, which is prohibitive in terms of production capacity.

Edited by zeio - 08/18/2017 at 12:58am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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I have got some sheets of BS Prov. Boosting the first one.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2OvJBMREql8OUNuRmY5V2x2Rm8/view?usp=drivesdk
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Originally posted by ashishsharmaait ashishsharmaait wrote:

I have got some sheets of BS Prov. Boosting the first one.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2OvJBMREql8OUNuRmY5V2x2Rm8/view?usp=drivesdk

please let us know your results with this BS
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Ran into this comment a while ago by Yoshihito Miyazaki, JNT's Chief for the Strengthening Division of the National Training Center. Better late than never.

Miyazaki confirmed National H3, the real real deal, is off-limits to the public.
@4:57, https://video.fc2.com/en/content/201801089cL3Sb63/

Edited by zeio - 02/18/2018 at 12:12pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Ran into this comment a while ago by Yoshihito Miyazaki, JNT's Chief for the Strengthening Division of the National Training Center. Better late than never.

Miyazaki confirmed National H3, the real real deal, is off-limits to the public.
@4:57, https://video.fc2.com/en/content/201801089cL3Sb63/



unless you have social skills with the chinese coaches. I know that zhou yu coach was selling h3 nat   the real deal no white package at the bercy worlds for 80$ the guy who got said it different compared to provincial stuff diffrent smell and sponge texture
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if anyone is interested in trying out the real deal: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79262&title=highend-blades-dhs-w968-ma-long-combo

Edited by h0n1g - 02/18/2018 at 1:35pm
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Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

if anyone is interested in trying out the real deal: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79262&title=highend-blades-dhs-w968-ma-long-combo

The font on the blade seems to be slightly different.

Chen Chen from TTD


Seller



Edited by Renol - 02/21/2018 at 3:50am
Blade: DHS Long 5
FH: DHS Hurricane 3 Neo (Provincial)
BH: DHS Hurricane 3 Neo (Provincial)
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Originally posted by Fulanodetal Fulanodetal wrote:

"<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">real nath3 for cnt is very low throw and bouncy topsheet mild sticky different smell i know that some cnt players have been selling at the worlds real nat H3 for 80$ and some tops were giving away h3"</span>
<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">
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<span style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">Where do you get this idea that Nat Hurricane 3 BS are low throw? Have you personally tried them out yourself or is this conjecture?</span>
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yes I know a girl who plays with h3 that his father bought from zhou you's coach at the bercy worlds and her father knows a coach that has friends among chinese coaches. this guy gave me a provincial 729 rubber that was absolutely AMAZING the rubber was inside a simple plastic bag with no name .

the h3 bounce almost like a short pips very low arc and has a smell different from normal H3 and FYI ma long can give you some sheets if you re polite abd kind with him.
after all in the last days of competition he wont use the 30+ sheets he carries in his bag only lower ranked cnt are checked if they sell their rubber(they must return the worn ones to the coaches?
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That's the story I read also. They have to turn in the old ones to get new ones.
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Does boosting affect the throw characteristics on a rubber? I mean you are making the sponge softer. I would think the throw might be affected. 

I use unboosted H3. They take a little time to soften after some use. After a week or two they feel awesome, and I don't think the throw is low. Perhaps this low throw you are experiencing is the result of having the H3 Nat heavily boosted?!? It is possible...

In any case, even if the H3 BS Nats available for purchase are not exactly like the ones used by the CNT, I gotta say they are the best FH rubbers I have ever tried bar none!! And I will continue to use them.

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Edited by Fulanodetal - 02/21/2018 at 2:54pm
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Yes boosting lowers throw.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Ran into this comment a while ago by Yoshihito Miyazaki, JNT's Chief for the Strengthening Division of the National Training Center. Better late than never.

Miyazaki confirmed National H3, the real real deal, is off-limits to the public.
@4:57, https://video.fc2.com/en/content/201801089cL3Sb63/


So what about the BS National Hurricanes on DHS official TaoBao store and on prott? Are they legit or fake?
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Those are legit, but it's likely they're slightly different from the H3 BS National the CNT members get.
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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