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New Nittaku HURRICANE PRO3 TURBO ORANGE |
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Derf59
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Posted: 08/25/2017 at 10:26pm |
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I've seen Nittaku has released a new version of H3
HURRICANE PRO3 TURBO ORANGE Faster now with active charge. Great superfast combination of the Chinese Hurricane tacky top sheet and the Japanese high reaction sponge. More speed than ever. http://iruiru.com/goods_page.php?ct=A&mk=D&gd=AD109 http://tt-japan.net/index.php?main_page ... ts_id=3580 Does anybody have tried it ? |
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HuLimei
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Xu Xin probably uses a version of that
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Derf59
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Any information about the sponge (type, hardness, ...) ?
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Sedis
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They mention "Active charge" which suggests it is going to be similar to the sponges used in Alhelg and Flyatt rubbers made for them by Daiki.
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kucharski
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I tried it in a booth here in Japan, the sponge is some what porous but not like the latest esn rubbers, the topsheet doesn't have the traditional tack the speed is as fast or slower than tinarc 3.
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Impossible is really impossible
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Derf59
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@kucharski, what's the color of the sponge ? Does this h3 feel similar to H3-50 ?
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AndySmith
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Some good pictures and impressions here: It does look a bit like a Daiki sponge. The topsheet is ITTF code 24-038 - the specific one DHS made for Nittaku for previous jap sponge versions (named as Nittaku Hurricane Pro III on the LARC).
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This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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Magic_M
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Not easy to understand with google translator, but the parts, that I understand, sound good.
I have also ordered one piece from tt-japan.net, but it will need some weeks until I get it.
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Hozuki
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Mima Ito has actually switched to this rubber, can't be that bad
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iamj8
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Looks awesome. Can't wait to try it out. If it behaves like H3 neo but is slightly faster and better at driving this would be perfect for me. Wonder what the weight and hardness are like. It says 45 degrees in the link posted above. I take it that's based on this scale (opposed to the DHS scale)? http://www.tabletennisdb.com/dictionary/sponge-hardness/
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Roger Stillabower
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If it's a 45 degree on the ESN scale I would think that would be close to 39 degree on the DHS scale. But I really don't know.
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henningf
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So, it's like a Nittaku H3 pro, with a new sponge?
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kucharski
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Derf59, i think h3-50 sponge is softer than h3 turbo so it has different feel that of h3-50. The sponge is light orange when it tried it it was on a nittaku ma long 7 blade but i think if it was put on a faster blade i will be able to appreciate it. Btw, when i do topspin vs the robot in the booth i observed that the ball accelerates after it bounces the on table.
Edited by kucharski - 08/27/2017 at 6:27pm |
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Impossible is really impossible
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zeio
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Nah, 39 Shore A feels way harder than ESN 47.5. P.S. It's said Tin Arc 5, which is made in Germany, uses the Shore C scale, and 42.5 is roughly equal to 32-33 Shore A, whereas 47.5 is roughly 34-35 Shore A. Edited by zeio - 08/27/2017 at 9:05pm |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Hozuki
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I think it was Shore O, not C for ESN rubbers, but other than that I believe you are correct.
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zeio
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From official DHS FAQ,
"Conforming with the tradition of German rubbers, Gold Arc 5&8 use the Shore C hardness scale, whereas DHS Hurricane series uses the Shore A hardness scale. Shore A is a pin type test, while Shore C is a ball type test, therefore there is no direct comparison between the two. In general, for the same sponge, Shore C has a higher hardness value. The harder the sponge, the greater the difference when tested by the two scales. Gold Arc 42.5 is roughly equal to 32-33 Shore A, 47.5 is roughly equal to 34-35 Shore A, and 50 is roughly equal to 36-37 Shore A." Edited by zeio - 08/27/2017 at 11:52pm |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Hozuki
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Well then DHS has no idea what they are talking about.
I have checked multiple sources and ESN definetly uses Shore O. If you do not believe me, here is proof. Shore: A: 30 = 42 O = 9 C. Shore: A: 35 = 48 O = 12 C. Shore: A: 40 = 53 O = 14 C. As if ESN produces most of its rubbers between 9 and 14 deg. Took me like 1 min googling and 2 min analysing. The thread that Patrick linked also has ppl wrongly assuming it is C scale. (Except for one person correctly saying it is O scale) Is putting in 3 min of work that difficult? |
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zeio
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What makes you think I haven't checked the charts before posting and still decided to go ahead?
If you think DHS is nuts, add 729 to make it a pair. On the back of 729-08, "Shore C scale(Int. Standard) and Shore A scale(Ind. Standard)" are printed on that label. From other sources, it's stated that 729 uses the Shore W scale, which I bet you'll have a hard time finding any reference material. There is some information pointing that Shore W is actually Asker C It seems to be the case here, because I have a Taiwanese study that used I believe the Asker C to measure the various models of Donic Vario rubber and they are all with the range of 40-50 degrees when measuring on sponge alone and mid 40s to high 50s when measuring as is(topsheet+sponge). Look up the hardness data on ooakforum and they were measured with the Shore C scale, which I suspect is Asker C. Edited by zeio - 07/11/2023 at 5:37am |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Hozuki
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Well then, either the chinese rubber manufacturers, or a bunch of scientific articles have to be mistaken. The latter is much less likely to be wrong though.
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zeio
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If you insist, you can contact ESN and ask what scale they use.
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Hozuki
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I already did
My suspicion is that one chinese manufacturers just made an error, which was then copied by the others. But let's wait and see. |
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ThePongProfessor
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Just to throw a curve ball here: comparing the values, it would make sense if the "Chinese" scale is Shore B, and the European/Japanese/ESN scale is Shore A. Then a Chinese ~40 is equivalent to a European ~52.
Alternatively, the Chinese" scale is Shore A and European/Japanese/ESN scale is Shore O. Again, Chinese ~40 is equivalent to European ~53. |
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Roger Stillabower
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If I'm not mistaken the Japanese sponge is a different shore than a ESN. I think the Japanese, ESN, and the Chinese are all different shore hardness's. Butterfly's 36/37 is different than a ESN or a Chinese 36/37 hardness.
ZEIO, where you at, need your input here. Edited by Roger Stillabower - 08/28/2017 at 8:19pm |
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zeio
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Ya, I'm pretty certain Butterfly uses Asker E for the sponge and Type A(not the typical Asker A) for the topsheet.
Asker E and Asker C share the same scale, as both use the spherical indenter, but slightly different in size and length, and the force applied by Asker E is a little less than Asker C. Edited by zeio - 08/28/2017 at 9:25pm |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Derf59
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In France usually (for sponge only) we take for reference ESN and for Japanese (Butterfly) we add 5-6deg to have ESN equivalent and for chinese sponge we add 8-9deg
If we speak of combinaison of sponge + topsheet it's very difficult to appreciate, for exemple a Fastarc G1 has a hard sponge 47deg but a soft topsheet. |
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iamj8
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Hopefully once this is resolved we can make a guide and make it sticky for future reference.
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A version of Hurricane 3
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liXiao
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For reference (from Nittaku):
Hurricane 2/3 (Old Version) - 45 Hurricane Pro 2/3 (Chinese Sponge) - 42.5 Hurricane 2/3 NEO - 42.5 Hurricane 2/3 JS - 37.5 Nittaku has listed Pro 3 Turbo Orange as being 45 hardness. I'm not sure how this sponge could be harder than NEO, but that's what they say. Edited by liXiao - 08/29/2017 at 12:55pm |
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Matt Pimple
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I don't know what your exact source it and what scale these numbers refer to but I'm assuming it would be ESN scale. The Hurricane 3 Neo is a Chinese sponge and it is definitely harder than 42.5º on the ESN scale. It's like a 39º provincial rubber. |
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liXiao
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My source is Nittaku; when you view a rubber on their website it tells you the hardness and they also have a PDF that has a table of all the rubbers they make, the hardness, and spin and speed ratings.
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