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New Nittaku HURRICANE PRO3 TURBO ORANGE |
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haggisv
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You're right, but unless the ITTF forces them to publish these numbers, it's not in the manufacturer's interest for us to know these numbers, because they don't want you to compare their rubbers to those of another manufacturer. Easy comparisons between brands makes it easier for us to swap to other brands, as we find similar (or cheaper) rubbers with the same sponge hardness...not something that's good for their business. Sponge hardness is obviously not the only thing that defines rubber characteristics, but it's a major one, and if you can find say an ESN rubber of the same generation with the same sponge hardness, it's likely to play at least similar.
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In 2023, how do we not have an online public database of hardness for each rubbers on the 2 scales?
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zeio
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Bumping this thread. I've finally found the standard. In China, the Shore C as specified by HG/T 2489-2007 is based on Asker C.
However, the Shore C durometer from China, be it analog or digital, that is commonly seen on the internet is actually based on the older revision HG/T 2489-1993, which is identical to Shore E. I believe that is also the one used by 729 (华氏球式/邵氏W). https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32224751269.html https://www.huatecgroup.com/sale-8922-hg-t2489-93-0-100hw-2-5mm-shore-c-durometer-silicone-rubber-durometer-lx-c.html http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=80067&PID=993228&title=new-nittaku-hurricane-pro3-turbo-orange#993228
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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assam
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Ok, so it's there, on DHS
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henningf
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Ah, turbo is just the sponge. The topsheet is nittaku h3 pro
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assam
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They're on the list, but on the DHS part
Edit: Afterall the turbo isn't Edited by assam - 03/31/2018 at 6:30pm |
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henningf
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It looks like it’s out of the larc already https://d3mjm6zw6cr45s.cloudfront.net/2018/03/LARC_2018A.pdf
Nittaku H3 and Nittaku H3 pro is cut |
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igorponger
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Considering the spherical shape of the indenter as seen on this photo, they using nor Shore A, nor Shore C (both being rigged with frustum cone) . Asker C most likely, given the fact it is equiped with spherical probe. |
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caratoon
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Just curious if they named it Hurricane Pro 3 Turbo ORANGE Does anyone know if they will make a Blue sponged version?
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Carbonnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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Nutriment6464
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The weight kinda turns me off, I wonder how much does a sheet cost compared to h3neo (usually 20 bucks CAD online).
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ThePongProfessor
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Hi tom,
I haven't tried to boost it, but given the rubber's more dynamic nature (relative to H3 or H3n) and high weight, I would be reluctant to boost it further. -P
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tom
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thanks for the detailed review. Would you say that boosting it would not really increase the speed since it comes boosted.
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ThePongProfessor
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Not yet. It might be a couple of days, given they were closed over New Years...
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benfb
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Got a link?
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wanchope
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Thank you! Looking forward to reading it! |
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ThePongProfessor
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I - finally - finished reviewing the HP3TO. Should be posted on TT11's blog in near future. Keep an eye out.
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al_111
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iamj8, any updates on your experience? Can you compare the H3PT to a boosted H3? How did you find it in powerlooping and counterlooping (see opinions below)? How high is the throw - H3-like high or is it medium, closer to the Skylines?
A couple mini-reviews from a German forum, as the info is critically lacking (sorry for the auto-translate with minor editing; hopefully Magic_M could also add something himself): (c) Magic_M: First impression: quite heavy (previously not weighed, but heavier than H3 and H3 Neo), softer topsheet, not quite as sticky as H3 / H3N. Tightening from undercut (?) goes smoothly, soft topspin as well. The direct game was unusual. I did not like it so much. (After 5 days): My impression has now solidified. The HP3T is a super surface for clearly spinoriented players, who prefer a rather soft feeling and therefore are not comfortable with classic Chinese coverings. If, on the other hand, you prefer a more direct feeling for the game and attach importance to good shot properties, you probably will not be happy with the covering. (c) -user- I join Magic_M. Stickiness is present, but not excessive. Soft topspins went very well but for me the direct game was also very unusual. Maybe the covering needs just a few more hours to be properly installed. I will continue to observe in the next weeks.
To the backhand counter. Simply block / hold with the backhand went for me wonderful and the ball had a very shallow bounce. As soon as I went with the backhand a little stronger against the ball, this has risen very strongly. From the tempo I find the surface sufficient. Also from the half distance I could still make good pressure. Compared to a Tenergy 05 or MX-S is missing but then in the final speed for me still a good piece. Edited by al_111 - 10/20/2017 at 2:48pm |
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ThePongProfessor
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Yup, and I will also be reviewing the Skyline series (and the Ludeack blades). Need to fit everything in between a busy university schedule, recovery from injuries, tournaments, etc...
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BRS
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As in testing for the tt11 blog? Can you do skyline 3-60 mid-hard too? The forums are very divided on h3-50 vs skyline 3-60. I'd love to read a review by you that I could compare to your h3 reviews. |
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ThePongProfessor
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I will be testing this rubber in the near future.
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Egghead
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It turns out that TT11 carries this rubber now (only $38.79 before discount )
http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/nittaku-hurricane-pro-3-turbo-orange |
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Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX
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iamj8
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I don't feel like it takes that much time to make an out of package DHS rubber play to my liking. I just noticed the rubber started to behave more during my subsequent 3 hour session compared to the initial two. Maybe I didn't get it to full speed during that phase but I was quite happy with the speed I got out of it.
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A version of Hurricane 3
A version of Tenergy A Stiga blade... |
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zeio
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Because of the Japanese sponge, perhaps?
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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icontek
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How did you break in a sheet of H3 in 3 hours? It takes me weeks, playing 3-6 hours each to break any DHS Hurricane or Skyline to get it to open up to full speed.
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iamj8
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If it stays on my fh I won't boost it. I was interested in this rubber as an alternative to boosted hurricane. That said, I'm sure it'd play amazing boosted. I didn't notice any differences between the throw of this and neo so if there is amy its pretty marginal. |
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A version of Hurricane 3
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qualizon
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will you consider boosting it and see how does it perform? And how would you describe the throw of the ball on your forehand loop? Hurricane 3 has a known characteristic that the throw after the bounce on the table is significantly low, do you see see that with the turbo?
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iamj8
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No worries! A review had to come up sooner or later! When I say H3N I am referring to the NEO version. |
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A version of Hurricane 3
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Egghead
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thank you for your review, really appreciate. Does H3N mean H3 NEO or H3 National ?
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Aurora ST: Rhyzm / Talent OX
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iamj8
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Hi all,
Had a 3 hour session today so I can finally make some comments. I don't think I'm going to unravel anything mind blowing as most of what I'm about to say is probably what most suspect. After breaking the rubber in it's not quite as hard as I first commented but still a little harder than 39 degrees. It feels very familiar (as it should). Service and pushing are very good, just like most Chinese rubbers. It is more lively too so it feels a tad faster when driving, looping and blocking. As a result, it is more consistent. The most noticeable difference when comparing to unboosted H3N is how much better it plays away from the table. Sustainable is the word I'd use to describe this rubber's away from the table when compared to its other versions. I got complimented on my forehand today (which is my weaker wing) and played better in rallies so I don't think it's all in my head, haha. At the end of the day, I think this is a good rubber if you can get over the weight. Unboosted H3N users will appreciate its more lively nature and after a very short adjustment period they'll likely be playing better. It'll come as no surprise it very much behaves like a Chinese rubber in that it's still fairly linear and requires good technique (engaging the body, micro adjustment, etc.) but that extra 'oomph' is a very welcome change. I had a hit with my friend's bat which had a boosted H3N on it and Turbo doesn't quite feel as a good, but were we really expecting anything else? Am I sticking with this rubber? It's really hard to say because when compared to unboosted H3N it does a lot of good for my game but I don't feel as comfortable playing because of how off balance it makes my bat feel. I reckon if this rubber weighed 10g less when cut it'd be an instant best seller! Hope you guys find this helpful.
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A version of Hurricane 3
A version of Tenergy A Stiga blade... |
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