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ML seemed to add more weapons to his arsenal,slow spinny backhand, backhand down the line..., and FZD kind of like same old same old. ML really desired this title. It is amazing that he's still improving at his level 
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Did Xu Xin and Fan play the semi at all? Can't find the video.
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Ma Long is magic said my 1900 coworker! I so agree.
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Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

This title really should be considered a major, it is a lot harder to win than world cup.
I agree while China is the undisputed best TT nation in the world and where so many players close to the best ever can't express themselves on the highest ITTF and Olympic stages; but from a neutral standpoint that's just a temporal tidbit.
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Originally posted by The Observer The Observer wrote:

Did Xu Xin and Fan play the semi at all? Can't find the video.

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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Amazing stuff by Ma Long.  He must have played better as time went on as I don't see how this version of Ma Long would have lost to Lin Gaoyuan. 


Even the greatest player of all time is human.


The greatest player of our time is indeed human, but the greatest player of all time, Viktor Barna, was actually an alien, a Spalbird from the planet Mendo.

He only pretended to be human so that he could play tt for Hungary and then England.
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That is like saying the fast sprinter of our time is indeed human-Bolton, but the fastest sprinter of all time, Blabla, was actually an alien,.....
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

ML seemed to add more weapons to his arsenal,slow spinny backhand, backhand down the line..., and FZD kind of like same old same old. ML really desired this title. It is amazing that he's still improving at his level 
You are right; few users in Chinese tt forum already pointed out that the weakest link in FZD's game was his tendency.


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Originally posted by chongqinghotpot chongqinghotpot wrote:

That is like saying the fast sprinter of our time is indeed human-Bolton, but the fastest sprinter of all time, Blabla, was actually an alien,.....

Exactly.  Very good, sir.  You're well on your way to a solid B+ in Introduction to Sarcasm 101.

Hey.  How about Ma Long?  He's finally starting to use that fantastic boosted backhand of his going down the line.  You think Fan will be able to cope with that?  Xu?  Lin Guoyuan?  The down the line fantastic boosted backhand can be one hell of a shot if it hits the table and the other guy can't reach it.  

The greatest table tennis player of all time, who brought table tennis to Earth from the planet Mendo, was capable of not only hitting his nonpareil backhand down the line, but also hitting that unsurpassable backhand of his down the line from the forehand side of the table (he was a righty).  

BTW, he was also capable of hitting forehands down the line from both his forehand and backhand sides.


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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

You don't get to see this in China.


Why? It says it is XinHua Video...
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I may be alone in my opinion here... so, it was an okay match, but each of the two allowed himself to be surprised by the other's BH down the line quite often. 
FZD looping from distance seemed a little bit off, too. I did not like FZD coach's demeanor, he might make a good use of one of the two jacket's advertised all the time during the match on the video channel I watched. I did not really see any progression in technical level since the last two or three finals they played against each other. They know each other so well that it may be close to boring at times. Like the ML's chop blocks that now hardly surprise FZD. More really is needed to make the encounters between the two really exciting. 
Of course, both guys "have great technique" and all, but ML has been the emotionally stronger one, and a bit taller, which sometimes helps, tooThumbs Up
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You are not alone in your opinion, JacekGM.  I watched the world's presently two best players whump the ball past one another for about 25 minutes of their 1 hour 23 minute match, and the lack of variation, occasional 5 ball rallies which the female commentator and the audience (nice crowd) went berserk over, and general monochromaticism of the whole affair did not overmuch appeal to me.  The crowd seemed to like it though.  

I did see in those 25 minutes I watched Ma smack a couple of nice forehand loops past Fan's outstretched racket and Fan surprise Ma with a couple of surprise backhands down the line.  Otherwise, pretty much present day business as usual.



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How come no one is blaming the 729 ball .... was that a factor?
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Originally posted by chongqinghotpot chongqinghotpot wrote:

That is like saying the fast sprinter of our time is indeed human-Bolton, but the fastest sprinter of all time, Blabla, was actually an alien,.....


the best player for berndt gotta be at least 70 year old

if you re 90 and push 2 hours to score a point you get a A+ in sarcasm 101 where any young player deserves to be beheaded

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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by chongqinghotpot chongqinghotpot wrote:

That is like saying the fast sprinter of our time is indeed human-Bolton, but the fastest sprinter of all time, Blabla, was actually an alien,.....


the best player for berndt gotta be at least 70 year old

if you re 90 and push 2 hours to score a point you get a A+ in sarcasm 101 where any young player deserves to be beheaded

The best player for me, bbkon, were he still alive, would be 106 years old this year.  Victor Barna was born in 1911.

Alex Ehrlich and Paneth Farkas, who engaged in that famous? notorious? pushing duel in the mid-1930s, were closer to their thirties than their nineties.  A gentleman's C for your fledgling attempt at sarcasm, however.  Ehrlich was a three-time World Singles finalist; Farkas a Hungarian international.

As far as today's young players are concerned, I would not go so far as to behead any of them.  In fact I'm somewhat of a fan of Angela Guan.  

May I remind you that I majored in sarcasm with a minor in irony at the Ohio State University (3.8 grade point average, Phi Beta Kappa, summa cum laude).  I know a thing or two about sarcasm.  Your bent scream is a start on the long perilous road to being truly sarcastic, but as with table tennis, to be masterful at it, you're gonna have to practice, practice, practice and keep practicing.  
























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Someone ran out of medication.....not gonna say who.

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Any Qin Zhijian or Liu Guoliang sightings at the Games??  Formerley at major events, they 
would be sitting at prominent position.
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Originally posted by JacekGM JacekGM wrote:

Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

You don't get to see this in China.



Why? It says it is XinHua Video...

Youtube is blocked in mainland China. No one there can see it behind the great firewall.

This is an official feed streamed on a dedicated channel complete with English commentary that is geared towards the Western audience ONLY.

Edited by zeio - 09/07/2017 at 10:54am
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Originally posted by berndt_mann berndt_mann wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by chongqinghotpot chongqinghotpot wrote:

That is like saying the fast sprinter of our time is indeed human-Bolton, but the fastest sprinter of all time, Blabla, was actually an alien,.....


the best player for berndt gotta be at least 70 year old

if you re 90 and push 2 hours to score a point you get a A+ in sarcasm 101 where any young player deserves to be beheaded

The best player for me, bbkon, were he still alive, would be 106 years old this year.  Victor Barna was born in 1911.

Alex Ehrlich and Paneth Farkas, who engaged in that famous? notorious? pushing duel in the mid-1930s, were closer to their thirties than their nineties.  A gentleman's C for your fledgling attempt at sarcasm, however.  Ehrlich was a three-time World Singles finalist; Farkas a Hungarian international.

As far as today's young players are concerned, I would not go so far as to behead any of them.  In fact I'm somewhat of a fan of Angela Guan.  

May I remind you that I majored in sarcasm with a minor in irony at the Ohio State University (3.8 grade point average, Phi Beta Kappa, summa cum laude).  I know a thing or two about sarcasm.  Your bent scream is a start on the long perilous road to being truly sarcastic, but as with table tennis, to be masterful at it, you're gonna have to practice, practice, practice and keep practicing.  


























Viktor probably wouldn't even be able to return one ML forehand. Just saying.
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(h0n1g)  Viktor probably wouldn't even be able to return one ML forehand. Just saying.

Using what?  A blade and a chemically treated rubber that did not exist during Barna's 25 year playing career?

Even in 2017, there are a number of modern hard rubbers and a whole bunch of blades for Ma Long to choose from.  Ma Long could, if he and the Chinese National Team and the wazoos who now oversee the Chinese National Team would let him, play with any combination of them.  

But if he were to do so, Ma Long would not be Ma Long, the best player of this time.  And the Ma Long forehand would not be the Ma Long forehand serious table tennis players in 2017 have come to know and love.

Viktor Barna did not have access to the customized blades, rubbers and all the other good stuff that a contemporary player, be he Ma or Timo or Ovtcharov enjoys.  Once again, they didn't exist while he played.  

But with his antique equipment, updated versions of which still exist, are ITTF approved and are available to any player with guts enough to try them out, Barna could and did kick butt playing both offensively and defensively.  

Could Barna return one Ma Long forehand if Ma were to be kind enough to play with a modern version of the type of blade and rubber that Barna used and that is still being used by players in the United States and Europe?  I do not know about Asia, but I was told by Dexter Grey, a concert pianist, Chopin specialist and devotee of pong who used to give frequent concerts in China that Cai Zhenhua likes hardbat and not surprisingly plays it quite well.

Yeah, if they could play with similar equipment that he used (sorry, no doctored supercatapult inverted, which he didn't and couldn't have used) in some parallel universe where both could be in their prime, I suspect he could.  Not only one, but a couple of dozen, should that be necessary to get the job done. 




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Originally posted by Fulanodetal Fulanodetal wrote:

Someone ran out of medication.....not gonna say who.

FdT

Hey there, FdT.  How's your hardbat game coming along?

Mine presently sucks.  Meds, whether you have them or not, just don't do the job for my hb game that liquor and caffeine once did.

Glad to see you're still using the tried and true ad hominem.

That's my favorite too when I run out of facts to shore up one of my posts.

P.S.:  You don't have to say who.  Who else on this furshuliggener forum is 75, has essential tremor (formerly known as the heebie jeebies) and takes 10 pills a day?
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Originally posted by berndt_mann berndt_mann wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by chongqinghotpot chongqinghotpot wrote:

That is like saying the fast sprinter of our time is indeed human-Bolton, but the fastest sprinter of all time, Blabla, was actually an alien,.....


the best player for berndt gotta be at least 70 year old

if you re 90 and push 2 hours to score a point you get a A+ in sarcasm 101 where any young player deserves to be beheaded

The best player for me, bbkon, were he still alive, would be 106 years old this year.  Victor Barna was born in 1911.

Alex Ehrlich and Paneth Farkas, who engaged in that famous? notorious? pushing duel in the mid-1930s, were closer to their thirties than their nineties.  A gentleman's C for your fledgling attempt at sarcasm, however.  Ehrlich was a three-time World Singles finalist; Farkas a Hungarian international.

As far as today's young players are concerned, I would not go so far as to behead any of them.  In fact I'm somewhat of a fan of Angela Guan.  

May I remind you that I majored in sarcasm with a minor in irony at the Ohio State University (3.8 grade point average, Phi Beta Kappa, summa cum laude).  I know a thing or two about sarcasm.  Your bent scream is a start on the long perilous road to being truly sarcastic, but as with table tennis, to be masterful at it, you're gonna have to practice, practice, practice and keep practicing.  


























practice to push 1000 times to score?
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Originally posted by berndt_mann berndt_mann wrote:

But with his antique equipment, updated versions of which still exist, are ITTF approved and are available to any player with guts enough to try them out, Barna could and did kick butt playing both offensively and defensively.  


Really? Modern players can handle the tremendous speed and spin from modern equipment. Barna would be in slow motion all the time
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Originally posted by berndt_mann berndt_mann wrote:

(h0n1g)  Viktor probably wouldn't even be able to return one ML forehand. Just saying.

Using what?  A blade and a chemically treated rubber that did not exist during Barna's 25 year playing career?

Even in 2017, there are a number of modern hard rubbers and a whole bunch of blades for Ma Long to choose from.  Ma Long could, if he and the Chinese National Team and the wazoos who now oversee the Chinese National Team would let him, play with any combination of them.  

But if he were to do so, Ma Long would not be Ma Long, the best player of this time.  And the Ma Long forehand would not be the Ma Long forehand serious table tennis players in 2017 have come to know and love.

Viktor Barna did not have access to the customized blades, rubbers and all the other good stuff that a contemporary player, be he Ma or Timo or Ovtcharov enjoys.  Once again, they didn't exist while he played.  

But with his antique equipment, updated versions of which still exist, are ITTF approved and are available to any player with guts enough to try them out, Barna could and did kick butt playing both offensively and defensively.  

Could Barna return one Ma Long forehand if Ma were to be kind enough to play with a modern version of the type of blade and rubber that Barna used and that is still being used by players in the United States and Europe?  I do not know about Asia, but I was told by Dexter Grey, a concert pianist, Chopin specialist and devotee of pong who used to give frequent concerts in China that Cai Zhenhua likes hardbat and not surprisingly plays it quite well.

Yeah, if they could play with similar equipment that he used (sorry, no doctored supercatapult inverted, which he didn't and couldn't have used) in some parallel universe where both could be in their prime, I suspect he could.  Not only one, but a couple of dozen, should that be necessary to get the job done. 



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Looping was not even invented back then....
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OK Berndt.  Stop now.  This is not a thread about Viktor Barna.  Start one if you want.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

OK Berndt.  Stop now.  This is not a thread about Viktor Barna.  Start one if you want.

I did.  And yes, the greatest table tennis player to date was indeed a human being.Big smile
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You should have started that thread a long time ago.  I hope it thrives.
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FZD, the sorriest unfortunate of the Year 2017.

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