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    Posted: 08/30/2017 at 11:30pm
Unbelievable...  These Japanese players sure are innovative



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This looks quite challenging to do.

STEP 1: Be a Fatass.
STEP 2: ...
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TPB used as RPB Clap Not sure if this will be stable with C-pen. Most likely the J-pen exclusive stroke. All due to that inch-high wall on the handle. 
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It was invented some 35 years ago by Mariano Lukov. He used this shot to beat the multiple All Japan Champion Kiyoshi Saito at the WC.

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Originally posted by HuLimei HuLimei wrote:

This looks quite challenging to do.

STEP 1: Be a Fatass.
STEP 2: ...

That fatass has one ridiculously dangerous looking traditional j-pen rpb, and his forehand isn't too shabby either.  He has obviously gone at least as far as step 3 into turning a traditional j-pen backhand into a weapon of mass destruction.


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His TPB is able to lift underspin (1:18)

It is something like this

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Originally posted by berndt_mann berndt_mann wrote:

That fatass has one ridiculously dangerous looking traditional j-pen rpb, and his forehand isn't too shabby either.  He has obviously gone at least as far as step 3 into turning a traditional j-pen backhand into a weapon of mass destruction.

Unfortunately I don't know the 2nd or 3rd step. Maybe you can ask the "professionals" hanging out here
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This is the guy who first employed the jpen backhand topspin at the highest level in the 80s. He still uses it with great success as you can see at 18s below:



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Originally posted by liulin04 liulin04 wrote:

Unbelievable... ย These Japanese players sure are innovative




I really like Hirano Noboyuki's style ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
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Would these really qualify as RPB ?
I would have thought they are all TPB but with ingenious  innovation and refinement of the now famous banana.
Mr Loukov, as posted, uses the RPB Jpen but it nothing extra ordinary but I agree completely;  it is a very powerful stroke.

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Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

Would these really qualify as RPB ?
I would have thought they are all TPB but with ingenious  innovation and refinement of the now famous banana.
Mr Loukov, as posted, uses the RPB Jpen but it nothing extra ordinary but I agree completely;  it is a very powerful stroke.

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Loukov uses  one rubber. It's not RPB but TPB loop.
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Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

Would these really qualify as RPB ?
I would have thought they are all TPB but with ingenious  innovation and refinement of the now famous banana.
Mr Loukov, as posted, uses the RPB Jpen but it nothing extra ordinary but I agree completely;  it is a very powerful stroke.

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'Loukov uses  one rubber. It's not RPB but TPB loop.' - ChicoFicho

From his body posture and stroke mechanics at 0.18, it looks to me he was doing a RPB.....his body was rather erect/upright and I could see the red rubber when he closed the blade at the end of the stroke. Thats how I interpret the stroke.
The black side of the blade looks different
Also, nearing the end of the clip when he was serving, he was trying to return the ball again using the RPB at 2.57.
Correct me if I am wrong.

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Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

Would these really qualify as RPB ?
I would have thought they are all TPB but with ingenious  innovation and refinement of the now famous banana.
Mr Loukov, as posted, uses the RPB Jpen but it nothing extra ordinary but I agree completely;  it is a very powerful stroke.

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'Loukov uses  one rubber. It's not RPB but TPB loop.' - ChicoFicho

From his body posture and stroke mechanics at 0.18, it looks to me he was doing a RPB.....his body was rather erect/upright and I could see the red rubber when he closed the blade at the end of the stroke. Thats how I interpret the stroke.
The black side of the blade looks different
Also, nearing the end of the clip when he was serving, he was trying to return the ball again using the RPB at 2.57.
Correct me if I am wrong.

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Good analysis but you are still wrong. He uses only one rubber.
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Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

<div ="msg" style="width: 755.2px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><table width="99%"><t><tr><td ="BBquote" style="width: 740.275px;">[IMG]From his body posture and stroke mechanics at 0.18, it looks to me he was doing a RPB.....his body was rather erect/upright and I could see the red rubber when he closed the blade at the end of the stroke. Thats how I interpret the stroke<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">
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Agreed. He is using RPB.
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Originally posted by cmugica cmugica wrote:

Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

<div ="msg" style="width: 755.2px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><table width="99%"><t><tr><td ="BBquote" style="width: 740.275px;">[IMG]From his body posture and stroke mechanics at 0.18, it looks to me he was doing a RPB.....his body was rather erect/upright and I could see the red rubber when he closed the blade at the end of the stroke. Thats how I interpret the stroke<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">
<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">penholderxxx


Agreed. He is using RPB.

He has only one rubber on his blade. It's not RPB and he has never hit a RPB.
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Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

Originally posted by cmugica cmugica wrote:

Originally posted by penholderxxx penholderxxx wrote:

<div ="msg" style="width: 755.2px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><table width="99%"><t><tr><td ="BBquote" style="width: 740.275px;">[IMG]From his body posture and stroke mechanics at 0.18, it looks to me he was doing a RPB.....his body was rather erect/upright and I could see the red rubber when he closed the blade at the end of the stroke. Thats how I interpret the stroke<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">
<div style=": rgb251, 251, 253;">penholderxxx


Agreed. He is using RPB.

He has only one rubber on his blade. It's not RPB and he has never hit a RPB.

ChichoFicho is correct. If you watch at 0.25 speed, you can clearly see that he is hitting with the red side, and then rotating his wrist during the follow through.
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Yes, having watched the second posting on Mr Loukov, I agree he is using one rubber on the forehand only.
Having said that, could we say that Mr Lovkou was doing a swipe with the stroke rather than a loop as mentioned by ChichoFicho.
Thks for the posting

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