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    Posted: 09/05/2017 at 7:35pm
I'm planning to build an inexpensive blade with used rubbers and would appreciate suggestions for a blade that has similar playing characteristics to a Violin but costs less than, say, $35.

In short, the blade should be a 5-ply all wood blade, ST grip, centre-balanced, ALL+/OFF- speed, flexible (about 5.5mm thick), with a medium/hard feeling (no limba).
Balance of the blade is important: it should not be head-heavy.
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Interesting puzzle!

AFAIK Yinhe Earth E-4 is a violin clone.  Some land on aliexpress around $45.  

Other 5 ply blades blades with flex and hard outer plies that come to mind would be Yinhe E-1 (closer to 20$ on aliexpress).  For a little more, Xiom Fuga and Xiom Diva.

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Thanks.
I was aware of the E-4, this is why I set the budget to $35 to exclude it... Joking aside, afaik is not available in ST, unfortunately. And I suppose neither is E-1.

I have no experience with Fuga and Diva, but I played with Jazz a few years ago. Jazz is stiffer, bouncier and faster than Violin. Will have to look the other two up.

Other suggestions, even from lesser known brands, are appreciated.
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IMHO haven't found any violin clone that plays the same as the original. It's the best feeling never ever tried on a blade, but nowadays it's kinda outdated if you play all-out offensive game with this slower ball. You need a lot of raw power and strength to surpass your opponent defense and youre restricted to play just close to the table.


However there are a few that could match Acoustic quite well.

MaybePG3 could satisfy you, but it's not the same at all.

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Yup the one and only e-4
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TSP Euro Feeling OFF-, 5-ply blade, ash outer ply.

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Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:


1. IMHO haven't found any violin clone that plays the same as the original. It's the best feeling never ever tried on a blade, but nowadays it's kinda outdated if you play all-out offensive game with this slower ball. You need a lot of raw power and strength to surpass your opponent defense and youre restricted to play just close to the table.
2. However there are a few that could match Acoustic quite well.
3. MaybePG3 could satisfy you, but it's not the same at all.

1. I know and wonder why Nittaku has not released a Violin Carbon yet, as they did with Acoustic. Speaking about a Violin substitute for the new ball, ITC XF has a somewhat similar feeling, though being a composite blade, but it's too head-heavy for my taste.
2. I tried and didn't like the feeling of Acoustic.
3. What do you mean? If the construction is different, that's unimportant, as long as the overall feeling is somewhat comparable.

Update: "I know and wonder why..." in point 1 above should read "I know [it is kinda outdated] and wonder why..."


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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Yup the one and only e-4

Is it really similar to Violin? It's from the early generations of Yinhe blades, so I always assumed that it would be very stiff because of the glueing.
Would be happy th know if this is not the case, though FL only handle is still a showstopper for me.
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Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

TSP Euro Feeling OFF-, 5-ply blade, ash outer ply.

Interesting blade, thanks. I'll search the forum for reviews.
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Hmm, this might be interesting: https://www.megaspin.net/store/default.asp?pid=adidas-avenger-5
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Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Yup the one and only e-4

Is it really similar to Violin? It's from the early generations of Yinhe blades, so I always assumed that it would be very stiff because of the glueing.
Would be happy th know if this is not the case, though FL only handle is still a showstopper for me.

it is not too stiff but it has some flex when loopping. the speed is very good and most of all the feel is awesome. i used to own one before. this is the closest to a violin.
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Yes, I agree tp yogi_bear. I also don`t know any blade which is closer to Violin.
E-4 is nor far away to Violin, although I clearly prefer the original, 
but for this price (< 50 USD) you can`t get a better Violin-clone.

Unfortunately it is only available with FL handle - a No Go for some ST lovers.


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Get a used vio!in blade. Save it money. It is cheaper than buying cloned in search of the magic one.
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Not looking for a Violin clone for my main setup: I already have 3 Violins and will stick with them. I need an affordable setup that I can hand out to kids, throw in a suitcase, forget in a basement, etc. Even E-4 is over my planned budget for this.
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Originally posted by Magic_M Magic_M wrote:

Unfortunately it is only available with FL handle - a No Go for some ST lovers.

I suppose I could change the handle, but that would be too much work. I suppose I could live with FL for the intended purpose.

Let's move to the next level: any blade for under $25 that comes at least close to Violin?
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Would any Neottec blade fit?
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Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Not looking for a Violin clone for my main setup: I already have 3 Violins and will stick with them. I need an affordable setup that I can hand out to kids, throw in a suitcase, forget in a basement, etc. Even E-4 is over my planned budget for this.


Yep. I understand you. This E-4 is rather expensive for an Yinhe just wood blade. I thought eventually to buy it, but without trying and for this money I don't think so.
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Maybe a handmade blade would be enough for your purpose.
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Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Not looking for a Violin clone for my main setup: I already have 3 Violins and will stick with them. I need an affordable setup that I can hand out to kids, throw in a suitcase, forget in a basement, etc. Even E-4 is over my planned budget for this.


What about Yinhe Earth e-1? 20ish on aliexpress. Flexible, but with Koto outer. Koto isn't as hard as ash, but it's still on the hard end of TT the blade woods spectrum - and considerably harder than limba.
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Originally posted by ohwell ohwell wrote:

What about Yinhe Earth e-1? 20ish on aliexpress. Flexible, but with Koto outer. Koto isn't as hard as ash, but it's still on the hard end of TT the blade woods spectrum - and considerably harder than limba.

Could fit. Moreover there is a German reseller that has the ST version. At a higher price, though. Will see if I can find it with ST handle on Aliexpress.
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Do you mean galaxysport.de? E4 is 94€.

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When I first started playing with a Violin, my first impression was this plays similar to a butterfly Grubba All+. (Yes I keep notes after each session when trying new equipment) Actually the Violin is a bit more tame than the Grubba with the same Tenergy rubbers. The Grubba is in the $50 range iirc and gets a little closer to the amount you're looking for. Good luck in your journey.
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Originally posted by Kolev Kolev wrote:

Do you mean galaxysport.de? E4 is 94€.

Yes, and their price for E-4 is crazy and they also have it only in FL. I meant that they sell E-1 with ST grip, but that's also overpriced. I'll look for ST on Aliexpress or buy FL.
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Originally posted by MindTrip MindTrip wrote:

When I first started playing with a Violin, my first impression was this plays similar to a butterfly Grubba All+. (Yes I keep notes after each session when trying new equipment) Actually the Violin is a bit more tame than the Grubba with the same Tenergy rubbers. The Grubba is in the $50 range iirc and gets a little closer to the amount you're looking for. Good luck in your journey.

Apparently, there are two Grubba All+ blades, which one do you mean?
http://shop.butterflyonline.com/andrzej-grubba-blade
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Sanwei pro v5 is suppose to be similar just a little faster

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Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Originally posted by MindTrip MindTrip wrote:

When I first started playing with a Violin, my first impression was this plays similar to a butterfly Grubba All+. (Yes I keep notes after each session when trying new equipment) Actually the Violin is a bit more tame than the Grubba with the same Tenergy rubbers. The Grubba is in the $50 range iirc and gets a little closer to the amount you're looking for. Good luck in your journey.

Apparently, there are two Grubba All+ blades, which one do you mean?
http://shop.butterflyonline.com/andrzej-grubba-blade
http://shop.butterflyonline.com/andrzej-grubba
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Hmmm. The second link is with the model I see a lot around here Superb blade. Does it all
The first link must be a new model. I see it for a first time

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Originally posted by Kolev Kolev wrote:

Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Originally posted by MindTrip MindTrip wrote:

When I first started playing with a Violin, my first impression was this plays similar to a butterfly Grubba All+. (Yes I keep notes after each session when trying new equipment) Actually the Violin is a bit more tame than the Grubba with the same Tenergy rubbers. The Grubba is in the $50 range iirc and gets a little closer to the amount you're looking for. Good luck in your journey.

Apparently, there are two Grubba All+ blades, which one do you mean?
http://shop.butterflyonline.com/andrzej-grubba-blade
http://shop.butterflyonline.com/andrzej-grubba
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Hmmm. The second link is with the I see a lot around here Superb blade. Does it all
The first link must be a new model. I see it for a first time


The first link is the newly cosmetically redesigned model. I have the one in the second link.
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I see. Actually, I also once made a blade for a friend with the one in the second link. But I never played with it.
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