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mike1250
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After more than 2 years playing table tennis without any coaching, just whacking balls around with friends, I decided to start learning the right techniques from scratch from youtube videos .
Now, to my utter dismay, I discover I have developed nasty habits : turning the wrist upward when I hit the ball . The modern conventional technique appears to require that the angle of the bat as well as the arm must be held more or less fixed . The player has to move in such a way to be able to execute this same stroke over and over again . It sounds so simple , yet I am having such a hard time getting rid of my old bad habits . Is there any commercial device available to keep your wrist & elbow fixed during practice ? Or I have to invent one ? Please inform . Thanks . Edited by mike1250 - 09/11/2017 at 12:16pm |
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Fulanodetal
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the device you are thinking of is called "coach". It's a carbon based entity which has acquired very technical knowledge through many years and can teach it for a fee.
this device is found on table tennis clubs usually. I have tried 3 of them and I can definitely recommend using this device. FdT.
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I did the same, sorry to say this. But you might have to train it off. Forhand to forehand drive, slow just to get the tecnique right.
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mike1250
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[QUOTE=Fulanodetal]
[Quote=henningf ] I can't afford a coach & there is no ping-pong club in my area ! Thanks for the rec. Edited by mike1250 - 09/11/2017 at 1:30pm |
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Fulanodetal
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where are you? who do you play with if there's no clubs?
are you playing at somebody's garage?
FdT |
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It is a very common problem with self-taught adult players just starting to get serious. Unfortunately, it can also be hard to fix because people get the habit very ingrained. It is hard to do much without seeing you in person, and with no coach in your area, you have some limits.
But here are four things I think you could try by yourself. 1. Check the thing Ariel Hsing uses at 1:46 in this video, which she calls her "forehand fixing machine". (She is a former US Olympian). You can't buy this thing, you would have to make it, but it is easy enough with stuff you can find at a fabric store. It will force you to relax your wrist and rotate your body. http://vimeo.com/51161820 2. Make sure also to not let your right leg to get too far forward, and keep your weight down throughout the stroke. If your wrist if flying it is partly because your weight transfer is also too much upward, and not enough around the axis of your body. 3. Use your left hand to point at the ball as it is coming to you before you hit your forehand (I assume you are right handed). This is just to try to help break the habit and for some reason it helps stop it. It forces you to rotate your body more, which tends to keep the wrist from flying up. It is not something to do in free play (points, or matches). it is a tool to help restructure your stroke. 4. Get a golf putter and try to swing it with your right hand, as if you were hitting a topspin table tennis drive, finishing in something kind of like a "saluting" position. Get a real sense of what that feels like. The reason your stroke is bad is because it indicates everything is coming from your arm, like one of the Supremes singing Stop in the Name of Love. |
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qpskfec
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Samson Dubina sells a product that might work for you called the TT Flex.
http://www.samsondubina.com/products looks like you could make your own with an old paddle and elastic band for not much money Golf has had this product around for decades to prevent the flying elbow, it does the same as what Ariel is using: https://www.tgw.com/callaway-connect-easy-swing-trainer?SITE_ID=A2004&CID=PLA&gclid=EAIaIQobChMInb7r0_Od1gIVG7nACh3IswclEAQYAiABEgI2CPD_BwE Edited by qpskfec - 09/11/2017 at 3:56pm |
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Fulanodetal
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Im not sure you want to spend your money on these contraptions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBoSaAbkfBU there are a bunch of them and without trying them personally it is hard to know if they are as effective as advertised. Buy at your own risk!! FdT
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mike1250
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As I have mentioned , I play with 5 other friends ; Two of them have ping-pong tables in their basements. I constructed myself a table in my backyard ( i.e. playable from May - November each year). No ping-pong club within 100 km radius of my house ! |
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[QUOTE=Baal]
Great tips ! Thanks Baal for your compassion for a novice in trouble .. |
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Very interesting device , indeed . This is the kind of device I wish to try-out . My need is quite specific , though : a device for beginners to fix the wrist rotation problem. As Baal rightly commented : my issue is ingrained and it takes time and effort to retrain my automatic reaction to hit the ball correctly . I just want to make sure I am not trying to invent the wheel again !! |
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Thanks for the video links . They are the types of technical aids I want to see ! |
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You have to retrain your stroke using multiball at much slower than game speed. So easy it feels ridiculous. At that speed you can control your swing so it is correct the way you want it to be. Do that 10,000 times (i.e. get a bucket of 50 balls and someone to feed them to you 200 times, takes a few hours) Then very slowly ramp up the speed until you get to game speed, whatever that is for you. You may have hit 50,000+ practice balls to get your fh hit right at game speed.
There is no alternative. If you try to cut corners you will soon revert back to old bad habits. |
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mike1250
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Thanks for the practical advice . I know forming new muscle habits will be tough for a while ... I am also thinking of some device to shorten this rehabitation period. Edited by mike1250 - 09/11/2017 at 8:29pm |
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Be aware that of all the technical problems players have, in my experience this is one of the hardest to fix. Another thing that helps is to video yourself so you can see what you are doing.
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Another great suggestion ! I have never thought of this one .... Thanks , Baal . Edited by mike1250 - 09/12/2017 at 9:05am |
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When I started training with my first coach, I had the habit of using too much wrist. I had considered using a wrist brace which would limit mobility on the wrist. The ones they sell at local drugstores.
without a coach I think this may be an option. Those are not very expensive. https://www.amazon.ca/Airflow-Wrist-Thumb-Support-wrists-Unisex/dp/B00DQR61VG/ref=pd_sbs_121_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=S8HTHG7C9MWNHDQAYMCY FdT |
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mike1250
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Yes...This wristbracing working in tandem with an elbow restraint would be perfect . I tried this type of wrist bracing before but the wrist still rotatates due to the elbow joint movement . Thanks .
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If you want a wrist support that is stiffer, Google "Bowling wrist support" to see many options
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mike1250
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You are absolutely right ! I googled "bowling wrist brace + images " and found so many different types. They really stoke up my wild imagination . I just wonder if there are some elbow braces used in other sports ? I am dreaming of a combined brace for both wrist & elbow specifically designed for table tennis . Thanks , qpskfec. Edited by mike1250 - 09/12/2017 at 6:39pm |
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So far from all the comments , tips and advices from members of this forum in response to this thread, I come to the conclusion that apparently, there is no training device in the market ( i.e. arm brace ) to keep the wrist and elbow in a correct stationary position during forehand drive practice in table tennis . It's a bit of a surprise to see such similar device has been already available for bowling ( i.e. wrist brace ) but not for table tennis ! A device of this type will be invaluable for self-training table tennis players (i.e. no coach available).
I am thinking of a primitive arm brace which can be homemade at a low cost (say less than 20.$ US ) and requires only a low level of skills to produce . The main design objective of this arm brace is to immobize both the wrist and elbow during a forehand swing . As I am in the feasibity phase of the design, any members interested in the such an arm brace are most welcome to contribute their ideas, knowledge and advices in this thread. Thanks . Edited by mike1250 - 09/13/2017 at 10:02pm |
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I am not sure what you mean by stationary. Your wrist shouldn't be flopping around in all sorts of directions, but it has to be able to move on a lot of shots in a controlled and well timed way.
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mike1250
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What I meant "stationary" wrist position is just to keep the bat angle constant ( say, at 60 degree or 45 degrees with the horizontal) . This is one of the basic direction from coaches I saw in numerous training videos for beginners. When a player becomes efficient in controlling the ball, the coach will then allow him to flex the wrist . I envision the arm forms an L shape having an angle of a bout 120 degrees at the elbow During forehand drive, the player will hit the ball by swinging the L shape arm around the shoulder joint in the same movement . He has to moves about and position himself in such a way to be able to execute this same swing . He also needs to keep the elbow not too far away from the body ( i.e. imagining keeping an orange tucked in his armpit from dropping during play ) . This is the stage I am at in my self-traing effort . Edited by mike1250 - 09/13/2017 at 11:29pm |
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HuLimei
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Yes. Here it is:
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mike1250
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No picture ?? Please reload the Pic . Apparently, there was a 404 error !! |
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Apparently You did not follow this thread properly ...Wake up Hulimei |
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You will turn yourself into a statue. Just relax and try some of the other suggestions first. |
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" The main design objective of this arm brace is to immobize both the wrist and elbow during a forehand swing . " FdT |
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mike1250
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The device I have in mind should be lockable at the elbow . First , lock the elbow joint and pay attention to the wrist only . As you already knew, I tried to fix my wrist issue ( i.e. it turns upwards when I hit the ball ) . From personal experience, if I allow free elbow joint movement then the wrist still rotatates even though it is already locked. This happens due to the rotation of the forearm which , in turn, is a result of the elbow movement ! . Later on, I can unlock the elbow joint and play the way you just mentioned. I believe in the effectiveness of a sequential rehabitliation of flaws in table tennis techniques . We deal with one issue at a time , solve it then move to the next . Thanks for your always-constructive comments . |
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