Boost Like the CNT

Since the other thread is getting nowhere with the original question, I feel obliged to update the naughty folks on how the CNT boost.

This thread is not for the argument on ethics, remorse, karma...etc. Please proceed to the other thread for that. The purpose of this thread is for the exchange of knowledge.

This video was uploaded by magazine Ping Pong on Apr 22, 2016, in response to Boll's allegation moments before the WTTC Kuala Lumpur 2016.

https://v.qq.com/x/page/t0304xpzbnw.html
https://v.qq.com/x/page/t0313vjqm6e.html
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTU0NDQ0MTMxMg==.html


In the video, Peng You, chief editor of the magazine Ping Pong, talked to 吴汀/Wu Ting, manager of Beijing Haifu Weiye Technology Company(info from 2010, could be outdated), on the origin, objective, and use of booster.

It is revealed the CNT players leave all the dirty work to this man. They tend to boost every 3 to 4 days. They prefer to prime the sponge with a layer of booster, then a few layers of water-based glue as another primer, then a few layers of booster. The exact number of layers of glue and booster depends on the preference of the players, but most prefer 3 layers of glue.

He prefers no booster on the sponge and recommends 3 layers of glue then 3 layers of booster for Chinese rubbers with the Yunhai sponge, to increase bite and the forward and downward momenta of the second bounce of the shot(what some call the spin effect). Another reason for the glue primer is to serve as a protection for the sponge. For foreign rubbers(JPN/GER), he recommends 3 layers of glue and 1 layer of booster on the sponge, 2 at most, to prevent the pores of bubble from bursting.

He also emphasizes the job of the gluing is the most important aspect.

P.S.
Added link to video for those who can't get embed to work.

Edited by zeio - 06/24/2023 at 2:37pm

Does that mean they use a new rubber every 3-4 days or does he reboost tbe old ones?

Also what does it mean to prime the sponge if you don't want the booster to come in direct contact with the sponge?

Three layers of glue must add a lot of weight. Actually four if I am counting right.

ZJK is on record saying he changes his rubbers either every one or two days during competitions.

So for Jap/Euro rubbers 1 to 2 layers of booster on the sponge directly first before 3 layers of glue?

drclaude1 wrote: So for Jap/Euro rubbers 1 to 2 layers of booster on the sponge directly first before 3 layers of glue?

First, 3 layers of water-based glue.
Then, 1 to 2 layers of booster.

Edited by zeio - 09/19/2017 at 11:44am

penholderxxx wrote: ZJK is on record saying he changes his rubbers either every one or two days during competitions. This clip is most appropriate for that thread. Why dont you move it there ? But this clip does not answer a lot of issues and doubts raised. zeio, your reference to the discussion in another forum on the subject of boosting was also very good but was not followed up. Alas the subject matter was continuously hijacked.

Thank you for the info.

I thought about posting this in that thread, but no. This one needs to be on its own, as the intent is not to deal with the philosophical issues and existential doubts, but only to present what is known at the moment.

Given the role of social media today one has to wonder aloud if the CNT booster rumors are being generated by companies active in the manufacture and distribution of these products including those people who are paid to give these rumors more validity such as coaches or ex-cnt players. Social media now is a prime source for false and misleading information generated for economic gain or political and difficult to sort out as it becomes an echo chamber.

tom wrote: So what happened to the statement " H3 (and variants) needs to be played a certain (let's say 7) hours before they are in prime condition"?  Is this true and how does the CNT players let the rubbers achieve their prime state?

The interview only dealt with boosting so this question was not addressed. I'm not sure if that's true or not, but in LXX's case, she prepares two identical rackets at a time and picks the one that feels the best to her on that day. I suppose she practices with them on an alternate basis? I'm not sure.

Edited by zeio - 09/19/2017 at 2:01pm

Hozuki wrote: Zeio, do they also say something about what type of glue is most suitable in combination with booster? Thick glue is better?

Water-based glue. As to what brand, there is no mention of it. People asked what brand of booster is the best, to which Wu said it depends. I guess he didn't want to come across as pushy.

Though it is known Nittaku Finezip was used in the era of WLQ, MLin, and WH. Not sure if that's changed now. In China, most common brands are Haifu and Dianchi.

Baal wrote: lineup32 wrote: Here is Tabletennis 11 advertising boosters with this interview as TableTennis 11 site has numerous boosters for sale. This along with the CNT rumors of booster usage go hand in hand to reinforce the idea that rubber boosters provide an advantage. Notice that the social media rumors along with the internet rumors highlight CNT usage who happen to have the highest prestige value in the game which gives the manufacture of these booster materials the greatest return on there marketing dollars as they are not interested in promoting the use of boosters say by British or American players as nobody cares about them as they provide no marketing value. I have to say that I didn't like the effect it had on T05.  It seemed to make it pretty mushy and also uncontrollable.   I suppose if I had stuck with it I would have seen the advantage, but it is a lot of work.  Interestingly, a couple of former US team members had the same reaction when they tried my blades (they are both T05 users who use blades similar to mine). But maybe I over-boosted it.

Yes.  I applied two coats directly to the sponge, allowed to dry fully between each, then two coats of glue.

It seems I should have put a layer of glue first.

In any case, I am happy with what I use now, so won't explore boosting again.

Baal wrote: Yes.  I applied two coats directly to the sponge, allowed to dry fully between each, then two coats of glue. It seems I should have put a layer of glue first. In any case, I am happy with what I use now, so won't explore boosting again.

I guess I should get paid by tt11, then. I'm doing them such a big favor.

I've been loosely following the booster scene since 2009. The brands involved have been well established through traditional word of mouth at point of sale long before this video was made public. Internet marketing doesn't work that well in China. Check out the view count. It has been posted on various forums and the response is lackluster. There is also next to nothing about Wu Ting on the internet.

lineup32 wrote: internet marketing via internet has been going on now for many years the addition of social media sites that act as echo chambers for misleading information has now become common. There is clearly a tie in between the CNT booster rumors on social media sites and the marketing of booster products. Its rather obvious. Enough said.

It's hard to deny that information from high profile TT folks about gear ends up functioning as promotion for that gear: be it for booster, rubbers, glue or socks. But to conclude that that the stuff is misinformation from there is preposterous.   By that logic all we would be doing taking about gear on forums is misinform each other.   Which would beg the question, why should we believe any of the misinformation you are spreading about misinformation?

I tried boosting like the CNT,
But I found boosting just wasn't for me.
Used Haifu for a week to boost my rubber,
But it turned my Leyland into whale blubber.

So my advice to you, if you're a hardbat man;
Don't boost or tune, even if you can (afford to).