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Nikkan Sports reports that Ishikawa and Hirano have been barred from participating in the upcoming season of CTTSL. No reason is given by the CTTA. Various Japanese players also participate in the lower leagues. That will be banned as well, until after the Tokyo Olympics, an insider claimed.

In response, the JTTA has come up with a contingency plan by hiring two players from China as training partners. Ishikawa and Hirano will train with Chinese players and domestic male players.

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Quote By this day the Chinese side gave the Japan Association a message saying "Japanese players can not participate in this war". The league plans not to let not only Japanese but all foreign players participate. However, the official said, "It is nominal, obviously to destroy Japan," while suppressing anger.
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"Japanese exclusion" spread throughout the Chinese league. In late last month, Ito Makoto (16) participated in the "A A League" at the bottom of the Super League. Although I could successfully participate in the lower league, the Japan Association says that the notice that "Japanese participation is not possible from next year" is coming. The officials said, "Japanese players will not be able to participate in the Chinese league until the end of the Tokyo Olympics in three years."
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As a breakthrough measure, the Japan Society already hired two Chinese practitioners of practice partners urgently. Hirano and Ishikawa, who became unable to participate in the Super League, will improve their skills with domestic practice with Chinese players and men's players. Sudden closure from China can be said to be one of the fierce battles against the Tokyo Olympic gold medal.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Nikkan Sports reports that Ishikawa and Hirano have been barred from participating in the upcoming season of CTTSL. No reason is given by the CTTA. Various Japanese players also participate in the lower leagues. That will be banned as well, until after the Tokyo Olympics, an insider claimed.

In response, the JTTA has come up with a contingency plan by hiring two players from China as training partners. Ishikawa and Hirano will train with Chinese players and domestic male players.

https://www.nikkansports.com/sports/news/201710050000149.html
Quote By this day the Chinese side gave the Japan Association a message saying "Japanese players can not participate in this war". The league plans not to let not only Japanese but all foreign players participate. However, the official said, "It is nominal, obviously to destroy Japan," while suppressing anger.
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"Japanese exclusion" spread throughout the Chinese league. In late last month, Ito Makoto (16) participated in the "A A League" at the bottom of the Super League. Although I could successfully participate in the lower league, the Japan Association says that the notice that "Japanese participation is not possible from next year" is coming. The officials said, "Japanese players will not be able to participate in the Chinese league until the end of the Tokyo Olympics in three years."
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As a breakthrough measure, the Japan Society already hired two Chinese practitioners of practice partners urgently. Hirano and Ishikawa, who became unable to participate in the Super League, will improve their skills with domestic practice with Chinese players and men's players. Sudden closure from China can be said to be one of the fierce battles against the Tokyo Olympic gold medal.


but hirano hasnt be able to be close to win a cnt neither kishikawa. what chinese are they hiring number 100 of china?
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The Ultimate respect has been given to the potential of Hirano !

Does that include Japanese men too ie the young 14 year old with enormous potential too ?
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Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:


The Ultimate respect has been given to the potential of Hirano !

Does that include Japanese men too ie the young 14 year old with enormous potential too ?


it might be good for chinese since they could study his playing but he hasnt defeated a senior cnt
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the Chinese mainlanders are such small minded people.

maybe European clubs should also ban the chineses
from participating in their club competitions

Imagine the NBA banning all Spanish, French, australian and Serbian basketballers playing in the nba because the USA don't want to lose the gold medal in the 2020 Olympics ~ There would be outcries of injustice and corruption.
shame on the cttsl.

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This is what happens when Maoists are in charge of the GSA in China. They don't understand tnat those foreign players made their league more interesting.
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Seems counterproductive to me. Chinese dominance aside, who would you rather face in a tournament... someone whom you've had lots of practice playing against throughout their progression, or someone you've rarely played against? Oh well, I'd love to see Miu Hirano pull off another ATTC
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

This is what happens when Maoists are in charge of the GSA in China. They don't understand tnat those foreign players made their league more interesting.


They don't know anything about sports
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That too.  At least so far they have not made a gymnast coach of the TT team.  Not yet anyway.

That said, I don't think this is because they are afraid of Miu Hirano.  The CNT have studied her and she is no longer a threat until she gets better.  In fact I would bet that the people who made this decision don't know who any of the Japanese players are in any real detail, this was a more "meta" policy decision driven by ideology.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

That too.  At least so far they have not made a gymnast coach of the TT team.  Not yet anyway.

That said, I don't think this is because they are afraid of Miu Hirano.  The CNT have studied her and she is no longer a threat until she gets better.  In fact I would bet that the people who made this decision don't know who any of the Japanese players are in any real detail, this was a more "meta" policy decision driven by ideology.



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They don't know much about economy, either. There are tons of commercial value with players from other countries, and it seems they are banning all foreign players with a hard policy. I thought China is no longer a socialist country
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

This is what happens when Maoists are in charge of the GSA in China. They don't understand tnat those foreign players made their league more interesting.
Very interesting, the whole "wolf breeding" project is LGL / Cai Zhenhua 's project.
 
Also, it means no Tomokazu Harimoto to China too 。

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Originally posted by Egghead Egghead wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

This is what happens when Maoists are in charge of the GSA in China. They don't understand tnat those foreign players made their league more interesting.
Very interesting, the whole "wolf breeding" project is LGL / Cai Zhenhua 's project.
 
Also, it means no Tomokazu Harimoto to China too 。



i remember fukuhara used to be crushed by cnt women before ai played at cttsl and boll improved a lot after playing in cttsl
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Chinese viewers actually enjoyed watching foreign players in the super league.  It added to the interest.  Ai Fukuhara continued to be crushed by CNT players even after she played the superleague, but she was also really popular in China (which is not easy for a Japanese person) in part because she speaks perfect Chinese.  Timo Boll is popular in China. 

This is a stupid but unfortunately not unexpected decision from the xenophobes and ideologues now running sports in China.
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It appears the ploy was primarily to inhibit the development of Ms Hirano and Mr Harimoto who are potential threats in the next Olympics !
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Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:


It appears the ploy was primarily to inhibit the development of Ms Hirano and Mr Harimoto who are potential threats in the next Olympics !


harimoto is not banned
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Damned, this is a nonsense. They don’t have any reason to be afraid of the Japanese. . The ATTC miracle will not happen again.




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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:


It appears the ploy was primarily to inhibit the development of Ms Hirano and Mr Harimoto who are potential threats in the next Olympics !


harimoto is not banned
Don't know yet; may be they will ban any non-CTTA player training with CNT in any level Tongue
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This is the most crazy thing I have seen for all the years close to table tennis!
All the non-chinese players must protest! This is discrimination...
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Originally posted by kolevtt kolevtt wrote:

This is the most crazy thing I have seen for all the years close to table tennis!
All the non-chinese players must protest! This is discrimination...


joo see hyuk played in cttsl while joo was threat around 2006 maybe without lgl they feel weak
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Hope the net will go more high in the future and ball more bigger and they will feel even more weak ...
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by kolevtt kolevtt wrote:

This is the most crazy thing I have seen for all the years close to table tennis!
All the non-chinese players must protest! This is discrimination...


joo see hyuk played in cttsl while joo was threat around 2006 maybe without lgl they feel weak
Actually, CTTSL has a 'no foreigner' policy in Olympic year. Now, they just push it to non Olympic year because of ATTC results.
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スーパーリーグの黒龍江省のチームと平野の契約を進めていた中で、10月1日に『資金不足のために平野選手と契約できない』というメールが届いた。しかし、もともと平野はお金は出なくても参戦を希望していた。その後、超級リーグの2、3人の監督に打診したところ、外国人は獲らないということを聞いた。それは暗に『上から』外国人、とりわけ日本人は参戦させないことを言われているようで、彼ら(監督)は、日本は中国に次ぐ2位だが、お金も持っていて、中国に追いつく可能性があるから日本選手は断るべきでは、という印象を持っているようだ。......

Heilongjiang cited 'lack of funds' but Miyazaki countered that Hirano will play without pay.
It was then announced that this came from 'higher'.

CTTSL, as well as CTTAA will not be taking in FOREIGNERS.

In the meantime, CNT is sending 19 women to Germany, topping even the Austrian Open.
What kind of game are they playing ?


 
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2017/10/6
This morning coming out from Japan

http://world-tt.com/ps_info/ps_report_detail.php?&pg=HEAD&page=BACK&bn=000001&rpcdno=2376#2376

the rumors continue to fly, now both in Japan and China Confused
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Originally posted by Tempest/Comet Tempest/Comet wrote:

from Yoshihito Miyazaki
スーパーリーグの黒龍江省のチームと平野の契約を進めていた中で、10月1日に『資金不足のために平野選手と契約できない』というメールが届いた。しかし、もともと平野はお金は出なくても参戦を希望していた。その後、超級リーグの2、3人の監督に打診したところ、外国人は獲らないということを聞いた。それは暗に『上から』外国人、とりわけ日本人は参戦させないことを言われているようで、彼ら(監督)は、日本は中国に次ぐ2位だが、お金も持っていて、中国に追いつく可能性があるから日本選手は断るべきでは、という印象を持っているようだ。......

Heilongjiang cited 'lack of funds' but Miyazaki countered that Hirano will play without pay.
It was then announced that this came from 'higher'.

CTTSL, as well as CTTAA will not be taking in FOREIGNERS.

In the meantime, CNT is sending 19 women to Germany, topping even the Austrian Open.
What kind of game are they playing ?
ya, Hirano was 100% self-funded players last year. Than there is a rumor that CTTSL were in trouble  (not enough funding) anyway.Embarrassed



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I think it was incredibly arrogant how the Japanese media handled this.  They claimed that the cause of this banning (which has yet to be confirmed by the way) is because JNT has been rapidly improving and becoming a threat to Chinese dominance.  While it's true that JNT is becoming better and Asian Championships happened, I highly doubt JNT is a big enough threat to cause the CTTSL to ban foreign players.

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It's looks like a child who is afraid his candy will be taken by another child. Hope ITTF make the regulation more open about the existence of foreign players in a League soon. CTTSL has much to learn from the NBA Basketball League & Football League in European countries. This is a setback in the world of table tennis.
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Originally posted by AntSj00 AntSj00 wrote:

It's looks like a child who is afraid his candy will be taken by another child. Hope ITTF make the regulation more open about the existence of foreign players in a League soon. CTTSL has much to learn from the NBA Basketball League & Football League in European countries. This is a setback in the world of table tennis.

I think this is the result of the récent and big changes in général politics.
this brutal and excessive décision is  probably to show who is the boss, who will decide when , where, who and what and also who has to win.....and that will first be done at the German Open in a few weeks where 28 Chinese will play.
Fasten your seatbelts, there will be some turbulences for non Chinese players at this German Open......
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Originally posted by shinimai shinimai wrote:

I think it was incredibly arrogant how the Japanese media handled this.  They claimed that the cause of this banning (which has yet to be confirmed by the way) is because JNT has been rapidly improving and becoming a threat to Chinese dominance.  While it's true that JNT is becoming better and Asian Championships happened, I highly doubt JNT is a big enough threat to cause the CTTSL to ban foreign players.

Also how do I change my username lmao

I think the Japanese media/JNT is likely correct and I also think that this decision might not be as Baal describes it - it might very well have been the informed decision of the CNT brass given the 2020 Olympics.

Mima Ito doing as well as she did in the lower level Chinese league might have opened some eyes to the risk.
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You can't assume this is a rational decision NL.  You have to put this in the context of the GSA.  The people running that are fanatic ideologues.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

You can't assume this is a rational decision NL.  You have to put this in the context of the GSA.  The people running that are fanatic ideologues.


Rational is a loaded word. I would argue that the decision is not as unreasonable as you make it sound, even if it might be a bad policy from the GSA.   I could see a reasonable person doing it based on certain considerations and recommendations.
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