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    Posted: 10/07/2017 at 9:19am
Hello

i search for a looping monster, with very good spin, high throw (elastic) and a very big sweetspot like the szlc or innerforce layer alc blade.


does have a basalt blades these atributes ?

i found these basalt blades on the internet are these good looping blades?

1) Soulspin ROOTS Basalt 6
2) Basaltec Outer - Meister Serie
3) Basaltec Inner - Meister Serie
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They are slower than carbon but increases the sweet spot.  It is a pretty unique feel and hard to describe.  Perhaps a bit like ZLF but harder.  I prefer ALC myself.  Soulspin blades are very well made but the only way you would know if you like basalt is to try it yourself unfortunately.

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I own a Basalatec outer. To me, basalt fees more woody rather than synthetic-y, while at the same time gives a uniform feel all over the blade (i.e. big sweet spot).

ZLC is the most elastic/repulsive. I prefer ALC as well perfect amount of dampening/dwell.
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I'm also interested in this matter. Can someone compare basalt fibre with ZLC, ZLF and arylate in terms of speed, flexibility and sweetspot? 
reading several posts online I think Basalt is faster than ZLF but slower to ZLC or arylate. I'm I wrong? However I didn't find a comparison for flexibility and sweespot. Maybe someone can explain this matter. Thank you


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Originally posted by GabrielTopspin GabrielTopspin wrote:

Hello

i search for a looping monster, with very good spin, high throw
(elastic) and a very big sweetspot like the szlc or innerforce layer alc
blade.


does have a basalt blades these atributes ?

i found these basalt blades on the internet are these good looping blades?

1)Soulspin ROOTS Basalt 6
2) Basaltec Outer - Meister Serie
3) Basaltec Inner - Meister Serie
4) red and black sensei
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Roots Bsalt 6 and Basaltec Inner are basically the same blade. You can check out their composition.
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You are right about speed as I remember the Soulspin blade (it has been a long time). I only owned one, though. So I can't say if they are all like the one I had.    A bit faster than ZLF, distinctly slower than ALC or ZLC blades I have used. Regarding flex, this will deppend more on the wood layers and thickness. Sweetspot is similar to ALC or ZLC but you will feel more vibration at higher frequency with basalt. It defintely retains more "wood like" feel but with larger sweet spot.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

You are right about speed as I remember the Soulspin blade (it has been a long time). I only owned one, though. So I can't say if they are all like the one I had.    A bit faster than ZLF, distinctly slower than ALC or ZLC blades I have used. Regarding flex, this will deppend more on the wood layers and thickness. Sweetspot is similar to ALC or ZLC but you will feel more vibration at higher frequency with basalt. It defintely retains more "wood like" feel but with larger sweet spot.


Which one did you own? Roots 6? I'm interestd in the soulspin blades, especially that on. But I haven't found many reviews about it.
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The Roots 6 but I configured with a different handle.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

The Roots 6 but I configured with a different handle.


How did you feel? Was it a great blade worth buying?
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I ended up staying with Viscaria but it was a really good blade, and I sold it to a clubmate who used it for years.  As to how it felt, read my posts above.  The handles of Soulspin blades are incredible. 
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It is a tad bit harder compared to arylate and does not have as much "damping effect" or say vibration absorption. But again it is more about whether the wood combination would harmonize with the fiber. Butterfly made Retreiver and Matsushita pro alpha with arylate, but also Moonbeam.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basalt_fiber
so the basalt is melted before it is made into filaments to be weaved. There are no additional products added so while it is similar to glass fiber, it is more homogeneous. Like glass fiber it is much less expensive than carbon fiber; also it does not brittle and can flex. Clearly, basalt is the new glass fiber. 
Soulspin, Nittaku are on the material big time; independent blade makers like Levi as well.

 
...and that's a MS Word document about the material. or there as a PDF.



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Another independent blade maker using basalt is the German blade maker TT-Manufaktur:
http://tischtennis-manufaktur.de/15.html

I currently own this basalt blade:

If I remember well, I bought it from Magic_M. Don't know anything about its previous history, though.

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Basalt is up to 20% iron, 50% Glass with the reminder a variety of materials that are in any particular deposit. It has been used in Blade construction in the Eastern block countries for many years and was and is known for its soft stop. I have a Roots 6 Basalt inner and a Levi Basalt outer both Spruce. The outer version is harder and measures slightly faster 1525 vs 1475. I have been using Karis M 2.2 on the Roots 6 and have no problem generating speed and spin.
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Andrius from Lithuania makes some decent basalt blades. The one I tested Maple + basalt + red cedar is exceptionally powerful.
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Is there any info or site with those Andrius blades?
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n we cant forget Yinhe's VF line.
they put them into market about 2 years ago.
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« Fiber Volcanics », I’ll be darned!

What a good find!

It says « Made un China » on the handle lens but isn’t « Shiryu Katana » sounding Japanese?

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I have Yinhe Pro Feeling which uses Volcaryl, volcanic material and arylate weaved. Great sweetspot, speed, feel, flex, dwell time. You can play both loop and flat shots. For me, better than viscaria/TBS.
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Originally posted by garwor garwor wrote:

I have Yinhe Pro Feeling which uses Volcaryl, volcanic material and arylate weaved. Great sweetspot, speed, feel, flex, dwell time. You can play both loop and flat shots. For me, better than viscaria/TBS.

Does Pro Feeling feel softer than Viscaria? And about speed? 
I played a little with Ovtcharov True Carbon wich is said to be similar to Viscaria but it felt a little hard for me


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It's not significantly softer i think but it's more flexy which gives more dwell. But it's faster. Innerforce alc clone.
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