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    Posted: 10/30/2017 at 4:49pm
Noticed that Ratings Central has not included the results of:

2017 Polish Open.
2017 Men's World Cup.
2017 Women's World Cup. (Only this one was just concluded. Others were concluded for quite sometime.)


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Don't see much, if any, advertisements by Table Tennis equipment companies.
So, it can not be an advertisement supported site.

*** It is a great site for TT fans seeking information. ***
*** Hope they are alright. ***


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I wonder how can we see results of currect ITTF pro tour now?
I load https://www.ittf.com/tournament/2737/2017/ittf-challenge-belgium-open/ and all i see is players list and list of announced matches for today. NO results for previous day found. Could it be that ITTF will not show up results any longer? Cry
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Noticed that Ratings Central has not included the results of:

2017 Polish Open.
2017 Men's World Cup.
2017 Women's World Cup. (Only this one was just concluded. Others were concluded for quite sometime.)




New rating of ITTF for 11/2017-does not take into account the results of Polish Challenger?
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I am sure that results of Polish Challenger are not yet on the new ITTF site. That's all i know.


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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Noticed that Ratings Central has not included the results of:

2017 Polish Open.
2017 Men's World Cup.
2017 Women's World Cup.

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Historically, RC always included the above 3 events.
Now it has not.

*** I have a feeling that we may lose Ratings Central. ***

*** Just want the forum members here know. ***

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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

*** I have a feeling that we may lose Ratings Central. ***

A feeling based just on the fact that some of the latest results haven't been updated, or is there other evidence for this feeling?
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Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

*** I have a feeling that we may lose Ratings Central. ***

A feeling based just on the fact that some of the latest results haven't been updated, or is there other evidence for this feeling?
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"A feeling based just on the fact that some of the latest results haven't been updated."
That's all.  I don't have any other information.

It is highly unusual for the events that they always carried before, but not this time.
A consecutive 3 events in a row - I would call it highly unusual, never saw that before.

I hope that they are alright, I really like "Ratings Central".


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Noticed that Ratings Central has not included the results of:

2017 Polish Open.
2017 Men's World Cup.
2017 Women's World Cup.
2017 Belgium Open.
2017 German Open.

Historically, RC carries those events.  So this is highly unusual.  Most likely TT fans have lost this very useful site.  I have no connection with the company that operates the site, and don't know what the problems are, or if the TT fans can save it.

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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Noticed that Ratings Central has not included the results of:

2017 Polish Open.
2017 Men's World Cup.
2017 Women's World Cup.
2017 Belgium Open.
2017 German Open.

Historically, RC carries those events.  So this is highly unusual.  Most likely TT fans have lost this very useful site.  I have no connection with the company that operates the site, and don't know what the problems are, or if the TT fans can save it.


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DM occasionally comes on the forum to chime in on something RC related being debated... I would be patient.
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Might be something to do with all the ITTF's website changes and how this makes the transferring of results to RC trickier.

Ratings Central is still used for our local leagues and it'd be a bit of a shock if they went down.
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Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:

DM occasionally comes on the forum to chime in on something RC related being debated... I would be patient.
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You are right about that whenever there is debate on RC, David Marcus always shows up and expresses his opinion.

That's another unusual event that he has not said anything about this matter - as to what the problems are.  Hope he will show up and let the TT fans know.
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Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Might be something to do with all the ITTF's website changes and how this makes the transferring of results to RC trickier.
Ratings Central is still used for our local leagues and it'd be a bit of a shock if they went down.
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For ITTF sanctioned events:  This requires work on RC's part and it has not updated some major ITTF sanctioned events lately.

For League events: The League Director enters the data, with no work needed on RC's part, this works.


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Noticed that Ratings Central has not included the results of:

2017 Polish Open.
2017 Men's World Cup.
2017 Women's World Cup.
2017 Belgium Open.
2017 German Open.
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Now add one more:
2017 Swedish Open.

*** This thread has been here for quite some time. Ratings Central has not posted any comment.***
Not optimistic for RC to continue serving TT fans.  (Btw, it is a great service.)
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Ratings Central founder's bio (David Marcus):

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He might have lost interest. He wanted to be part of the American table tennis adventure but he also pursued a wider audience re. tt ratings: the world!
When a PhD is willing to spend their time on a ping pong rating system for a small association like USATT, they should be given all the leeway they need and I suspect USATT wanted to keep DM on a leash (telling him what to program lol) which he declined.
It's a shame, his system is the best in the world; waste at its best! but he put the work in, it is there available and he can pass it on or just wait for a better opportunity.
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

He might have lost interest. He wanted to be part of the American table tennis adventure but he also pursued a wider audience re. tt ratings: the world!
When a PhD is willing to spend their time on a ping pong rating system for a small association like USATT, they should be given all the leeway they need and I suspect USATT wanted to keep DM on a leash (telling him what to program lol) which he declined.
It's a shame, his system is the best in the world; waste at its best! but he put the work in, it is there available and he can pass it on or just wait for a better opportunity.
More to come.
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As ITTF new ranking system completely screwed up players' playing level, higher ranked player doesn't mean higher playing level - world-wide TT fans will be more interested in RC system than ever before.

Don't know if RC no longer updates ITTF sanctioned events is due to the system's creator (Dr, David Marcus) lost interest on his own creation/technical difficulty to capture the match results from the new ITTF database or the funding problem.

If it is the former, not much we can do about it.  If it is due to the latter, funding problem, then there is something we can do (or try):  (A) The world-wide TT fans can write to TT equipment mfrs (Butterfly, DHS, Donic, Nittaku, etc.) asking them to advertise on RC's site.  (B) And we can launch a donation program and get world-wide TT fans to donate to RC.  (Personally, I will donate.)


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 i have never ever had any confidence in Ratings central, it is so flawed in every way.
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Originally posted by APW46 APW46 wrote:

 i have never ever had any confidence in Ratings central, it is so flawed in every way.

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Andy is a certified Trouble Maker, but I have never seen him try this kind of trouble... nah, his heart couldn't be in that statement, just an arrangement of words to get DM to chip in...
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> Don't see much, if any, advertisements by Table Tennis equipment
> companies.

See

http://www.ratingscentral.com/SupportRatingsCentral.php

> Hope they are alright.

Sean and I are fine.

> I have no connection with the company that operates the site,

Unfortunately, there is no company. It is just a hobby for me and Sean. See

http://www.ratingscentral.com/SupportRatingsCentral.php

> They probably got pissed off at the ABS ball and quit the sport completely

Sean still coaches and, I assume, plays. I haven't played in a couple of
years, so I haven't tried the ABS balls.

> DM occasionally comes on the forum to chime in on something RC related
> being debated... I would be patient.

> Hope he will show up and let the TT fans know.

I don't read this forum. Using it to communicate with me is playing "Six
degrees of separation"
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation). Someone told me
today that there was this thread.

If you want to communicate with me, I don't think I'm hard to find: I
have a couple of websites with contact info:

http://www.davidmarcus.com/Personal.htm
http://www.ratingscentral.com/Problems.php

Posting to this forum is not a reliable method.

> Might be something to do with all the ITTF's website changes and how this
> makes the transferring of results to RC trickier.

About a year ago, ITTF unveiled their wonderful new site. It looked all
cool and was probably written in AngularJS. However, it was hard to view
the draw sheets: you could only see one match at a time. You wonder who
thought that was a good idea. Probably other things were messed up, too.
However, they left the old site up, so you could still find the results
there. And they soon added links from the new site to the draw sheets on
the old site.

In October, they sent out this press release:

http://mailchi.mp/d1e7fe0e4fcd/ittf-ends-information-technology-relationship-with-tms-international?e=57190ec215

So, another disastrous IT project bites the dust. At that point, the old
site disappeared and the new site stopped even having its one match at a
time results. Now, it only has PDFs of the draw sheets.

Scraping the PDFs wouldn't be a lot of fun, and it sounds like ITTF will be
trying to make changes to the site. We've seen a couple of other sites that
have ITTF data in a more usable format, but we don't know how official they
are or how they get their data. So, I'm waiting to see if things stabilize
before spending a lot of time trying to rewrite my scraper to grab data off
the current site.

We have no contacts in ITTF, so if anyone knows anything, feel free to pass
it on. I have no idea if ITTF intentionally makes the data hard to get or
it didn't occur to them that people would like to be able to get the data.

> For ITTF sanctioned events: This requires work on RC's part

It took some effort to write the scraper program. But, it generally only
took me about five minutes to submit each event (except when ITTF did
something weird with the data, like had matches where the winner was
neither of the players or made up new event codes).

> For League events: The League Director enters the data, with no work
> needed on RC's part

Yes, although it is impressive how many things event directors can do wrong
or need help with. For example, despite the instructions clearly saying
that event directors should make backups of their data, I get a steady
stream of directors telling me that they don't have the data for their old
events because they no longer have the computer they used to submit the
events.

> I suspect USATT wanted to keep DM on a leash

They mostly ignored us. The original project was suggested by Sean and the
USATT Ratings Committee. Before spending 2000 hours developing a new
system, I wanted some indication that it was wanted and would be adopted.
Some board members seemed supportive. But, words are cheap. I said that to
do the research and development, I'd need some better computing resources
(remember, this was long ago when computers were primitive). I said USATT
should pay for a decent computer and software that I could use for the
project; this would cost around $5,000. I would contribute the 2000 hours
for free. The board declined. I wasn't in the room when the Executive
Director and board discussed it, but I'm pretty sure it was because the
Executive Director didn't want to spend the money. The Executive Director
then said we could get a grant from the USOC. Perhaps foolishly, I agreed,
and we did that. Skip ahead a couple of years, and the system is ready and
the Ratings Committee recommends USATT adopt it. By this time, the few
somewhat-friendly people on the board had been voted out, and the board was
full of nutty people. We attended the board meeting where it was decided
whether to adopt the new system. The discussion was completely nutty with
board members saying things that were ridiculous (with ridiculous
PowerPoint presentations to back them up). I think the vote was 7-5 against.

In retrospect, I'm happy to not be involved with USATT. They are very hard
to work with. Tangential to Ratings Central is Zermelo, my tournament
software. This supports USATT tournaments. Twice in the last few years,
USATT has changed how they handle digital submissions of tournament
results. The first time, they emailed the three people who had tournament
software and said the system would be changing in one week (they were going
to go live with the change and announce it in literally one week) and they
were sure we would be able to modify our apps to support the new formats by
then. This was the first we had heard of this, and they didn't provide any
sample data or specs for the new formats. After several months of
discussion with them, I did manage to get them to tell us (decide) what the
new format would be and modify Zermelo to work with their new setup. Then a
year later, they changed it again, and again did not coordinate with us.

> it is there available and he can pass it on

That might be hard. There are quite a few interconnected parts.

> (A) The world-wide TT fans can write to TT equipment mfrs (Butterfly,
> DHS, Donic, Nittaku, etc.) asking them to advertise on RC's site.

We have sometimes had people pay for ads, but not regularly. I doubt you
will be able to convince companies to spend their money by writing to them.

> (B) And we can launch a donation program and get world-wide TT fans to
> donate to RC. (Personally, I will donate.)

We welcome donations:

http://www.ratingscentral.com/SupportRatingsCentral.php

We accept donations in any amount, so you are welcome to donate based on
what the site is worth to you. If you are curious what our expenses are,
this may help:

We could cover our out-of-pocket expenses

* if each director who submitted an event in the past year donated
US$5.91,

* or if each director donated US$0.25 for each event that they
submitted in the past year,

* or if each player who played in an event in the past year donated
US$0.05,

* or if each player donated US$0.01 each time they entered an event in
the past year.

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Sure appreciated that Dr. David Marcus taking the time to answer many posts here and fill us in about
some of the history of Ratings Central which most of us are not aware of (not me anyway.)

It appears that Dr. Marcus is waiting for the ITTF's ever changing system to stabilize then he will spend lots of his precious time to rewrite his scraper program to capture the data.

As the ITTF’s new ranking system screws up what “ranking” is really supposed to mean – a higher ranked player is now not necessarily a stronger player than a lower ranked one.  In the mean time ITTF got rid of “rating point” record for each player, and made head-to-head record unavailable.

Under these circumstances, the Ratings Central just becomes more informative and more valuable to the world-wide TT fans than ever.



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Originally posted by David Marcus David Marcus wrote:



...

We welcome donations:

http://www.ratingscentral.com/SupportRatingsCentral.php

We accept donations in any amount, so you are welcome to donate based on
what the site is worth to you. If you are curious what our expenses are,
this may help:

We could cover our out-of-pocket expenses

* if each director who submitted an event in the past year donated
US$5.91,

* or if each director donated US$0.25 for each event that they
submitted in the past year,

* or if each player who played in an event in the past year donated
US$0.05,

* or if each player donated US$0.01 each time they entered an event in
the past year.

David


This is key, especially if you are using RC a lot (and some of us do, apparently...).

Donating is super easy (via PayPal) - I just sent 20$ their way. 
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Much Appreciated!  Our goal has always been to create a scalable system that allows for clubs and events to create accurate seedings which foster increasing the number of significant matches players can enjoy!
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Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

This is key, especially if you are using RC a lot (and some of us do, apparently...).
Donating is super easy (via PayPal) - I just sent 20$ their way.
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Thanks for taking the lead. You will not be alone. We will start a donation-drive when the world-wide RC users are more likely to send in their donations.  (Count me in, of course.)

Under this new ITTF ranking system, ranking is not reflective of a player's playing level and in the mean time they made head-to-head records unavailable - RC will be far more informative and valuable than ever before.  More TT fans will access RC for information.


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Sun Yingsha is doing fine in 2017.

The World Junior table tennis championships.
11-26-17 to 12-03-17
Here is the video of the Final:
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2017 World Junior Championships Highlights: Sun Yingsha vs Wang Manyu (Final)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etLFnqlXBww

*** Btw, in ITTF new ranking system, Sun Yingsha is #52.
      She was ranked #7 before this new system.




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