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taeny
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Posted: 10/30/2017 at 10:54pm |
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How does one move to next level in their game?
I know short answer is practice, but what makes you move up to the next level /division? Is it consistency? Is it anticipation? Im afraid I am getting stuck at my level (Australia - old level when I was a kid was division 4) and now I am getting back to the lovely game :-) Im just thinking what could I focus on so that I can get to elite level? more faster reactions, practicing set plays etc.? Also I find when I play higher level guys, they can get all balls back onto the table, but for me I feel like I am rushing to get to the ball...maybe I am too slow in this old bod. Hoping for some good advice on what to work on to reach my goal! Thanks! |
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Lightzy
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1) Personal coaching - Doubt anyone can get around that.
2) footwork - the difference between good players and less good 3) suggestion: next practice try this: Look at the ball as if your life depends on it. Don't just feel it or be relaxed, look at the ball INTENTLY, don't even look at the opponent or anything. ONLY THE BALL. You'll find then that you suddenly have so much more time to act. It's a good habit I think. If you think about it, if you know how to make the basic shots, the only difference between a killer shot and a shitty one is the time you have to prepare. Edited by Lightzy - 10/30/2017 at 11:01pm |
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If you look at the ball, you won't know where it's going until your opponent hits it. If you look at your opponent, you'll know where it's going before he hits it.
Footwork, footwork, footwork. |
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LUCKYLOOP
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Easiest way at your level is to put long pips on your Backhand then learn how to use it. Lots of info/videos/links about this in one place: North Little Rock Table Tennis Group timeline page on Facebook |
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You might want to read I think the general idea is you need to look carefully at your matches with players at the next level and determine where your deficiencies against them lie. The article gives you some particular things to look for. Then you can design practice to work on those areas. As you get older I think positioning may be as important if not more so than classical footwork. Positioning involves smaller distance footwork made based on where you hit the ball (made early almost as part of your stroke recovery). It also involves being able to control your placement so that your opponent has little or no option but to return the ball within your reach. And finally it involves more balance between Bh and Fh play (more Bh play than before for most players) since you need to be more at center of return angles due to more limited range of movement. Mark
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DreiZ
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Ive been told the same by 2000+ players that looking at the opponent, especially their arm/hand helps in predicting where the ball will end up on your side of the table for loops/hits. For serves, its a combination of both looking at the hand/arm movement and looking at the ball to see what type of spin it is. and footwork is everything in this game IMO, if you aren't in right position to execute a shot your form will suffer thus the quality of your shot will suffer.
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ttTurkey
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I absolutey agree with the comment re. coaching. You don't have time to waste and you want to ensure that your practice is productive and moves everything in the right direction.
The other bit of advice I have is to enjoy the process of improving and don't get too fixated on the end goal (not sure what your definition of 'elite' is). You do this by measuring yourself against yourself, rather than some stretch end goal. You may not reach your end goal but you absolutely can and should improve when measured against yourself. E.g. is my forehand better now than it was 3 months ago? Has my service return improved this month after all the effort that I have put in etc. Improve all the components of your game systematically under the eye of a coach and then that takes you where it takes you. |
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garwor
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Get rubbers with less spin :)
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It sounds like you (want to) play an attacking game. IMHO, the way to improve is to find a specific weakest part of your game, improve it, then repeat. For example, can you serve short low backspin and consistently slow loop the ensuing long push? Can you vary placement and the arc of the loop? If not, that's your that's the basic thing to learn and it will get you past your current opponents to the next level. And so on. |
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In the short term, look at how you win and lose points and think of ways of making them better. In the long term, develop technique that is healthy, reduces your risk of whiffing the ball, increases the chances that you will out the ball on the table, and enables you to put the ball where you want to when you have time to select shots. For the mental game, understand how your quality of shot can limit or expand the opponents options. Focus on the ball. Everything else is peripheral vision unless you learn over time that you can find information elsewhere. |
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BRS
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It really depends what resources you have access to. Can you hire a coach? I guess not or you probably wouldn't ask here. If not, subscribe to ttedge or pingskills and use their videos to compare your technique.
If you have a table at home practice your serves. Use video and compare your technique to the online coaching service videos. If you have a training partner (or ideally more than one) then work on set plays and receive by doing 3rd ball drills. If you are hardcore, or have more time, or just want to get fitter anyway, then do shadow footwork like sidestep, cross-step, pivot, in-and-out. Compare your footwork to the online coaching service and video yourself so you do it properly. Choose equipment that suits your style and is not too fast. Then stick with that same setup for at least one full year or more. After that you can ej if you want. It probably won't move you up a level on its own, but staying with one setup for a long time has value,imo. |
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Swiff
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You may be asking for advice in the wrong place. If you're goal is 2500, don't take advice from a group of 1800 players. lol I think a lot of us here wouldn't fit your definition of "next level". Or maybe we do, I don't know.
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bard romance
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I don't think if he were in the realm of 2500 he would be asking here. I also don't think the average level of posters here is as high as 1800.
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Swiff
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You're probably right. My post made me curious, so I just made a poll.
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bard romance
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Nice! I'm genuinely curious as well. Hopefully people reply honestly. It will be harder for the international members.
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Baal
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One of the biggest things I can point out is to make sure to do drills where you have to move to get to the ball. Old bodies make it hard, but you have to do it. (Trust me, I know!!). Find someone who can make you do that, and gradually increase the amount you have to move to get to the ball. (To intense right away and you will get hurt). |
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mhnh007
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I think it depends on your current level, and what level you want to move up to. Say to move from Div4-Div3 is hard, but from Div3-Div2 is triple hard, and Div2-Div1 is 5 time as hard as from Div3-Div2. To move up one level (Div) you need to be able to beat around 90% of player at your level (Div), so you can see why the higher level you are, the harder it is to move to the next level. Talk to coach, or player at a higher level, they can tell you what weakness your current level has, then learn to improve on those weakness, and explore those weakness at the same time. This is where training with a coach will certainly help.
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Lightzy
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I really think a coach is your best shot.
Also do small simple things. I'm not telling you "be ma long". Just take one whole practice and use it to look as intently as you can on the ball, without looking at anything else. I'm promising that if you haven't done this before you'll see huge improvement in anticipation and the whole game will become easier. You talked about anticipation and I think this is the main component of it. Getting used to tracking the ball as intently as possible. |
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wilkinru
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I'm going to try this next session. I have this feeling that I do it already but I suspect I could do more. |
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Lightzy
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Do it especially when you block for a friend who's practicing topspin. That's how you make it into a habit. Then also during practice matches, but especially when blocking is a good time to practice ball tracking. You'll also see the blocks improving like 3 times over if you haven't been tracking the ball properly before. Edited by Lightzy - 10/31/2017 at 5:26pm |
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danseemiller
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Play in tournaments.Coaching, practice and experience. You need all 3.
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assam
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Probably you are not a very skilled player.
If that is the case, to move to the next level (probably it seems to simple and obvious) you just have to put the ball to the other side without letting it too easy for the oponent. Just try to pass the ball on the receive of service and block without rushes. Probably that's enough for a 2000 US. At that level it is easier to loose points attacking because there can be a lack of consistency (as far as you just don't block it always to the same place, so your opponent as to attack while moving) That is if your opponents aren't choppers, just attacking people. To get a higher level you do have to get coaching and risk a little more. Edited by assam - 11/01/2017 at 6:17am |
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JacekGM
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Is this evaluation of our 2000 level players a joke or a misunderstanding? Bad attempt... |
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Post a video. Often the bystander has a better view on the lowhanging fruits to your improvement
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assam
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It is pretty much the truth
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assam
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There might be some exceptions but probably doing what I've said consistently is enough to get near 2000 US rating. Of course you have to have good serves and read serves
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ZingyDNA
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Need more details on the "put the ball to the other side without letting it too easy for the opponent" part, which depends on personal preference, equipment and experience, but he IS telling the truth |
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BRS
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"Without letting it too easy for the opponent" are the key words. Too easy for a 2000 opponent is a lot harder than too easy for a 1400. Otherwise he's just saying you win by hitting the table one more time than your opponent. No debate there.
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assam
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I was talkind as two inverted rubber's player.
If it is a low and deep ball (even just in block) it won't be to easy for the other. I'm not talking about letting loose balls at 20-30 cm from the net or over 10 cm over the net
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APW46
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Loads of good advice, but ultimately moving up a level always comes down to how dedicated you are to achieve it, given the resources at your disposal. At the bottom end its easy, as you move up it gets more difficult, but I have always said, take advice and copy from the better players around you foremost.
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