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    Posted: 11/01/2017 at 10:14pm
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Look forward to seeing you at the teams this Thanksgiving. Just received the following update from Joola regarding the 20th Annual NA Teams:

"Tischtennis Bundesliga teams, ASV Grunwettersbach and Post SV Mulhausen, will be joining the 20th Annual NA Teams Tournament. 

For more info: http://www.joolausa.com/bundesliga"

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I wanted to go, but work ... This would be my 10 year anniversary, as I played 1st time back in 2007 and I had a blast. Me and my pong friends were playing and drinking til like 4am in the morning. Literally go back to room, shower, have coffee, lots of coffee and go back to play again. We lost in finals against Puerto Rico kids 5:3 ... Good times. Hahahahaha
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It will be my 8th time at the event.. Played in  2000, 2001, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2015!!

See you all there!
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Are these teams playing in the tournament or just against each other for the league match?
Are there other professional or high level players attending this year?
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if anyone needs a 2200 player on there team pm me
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Originally posted by Purett Purett wrote:

if anyone needs a 2200 player on there team pm me

Bogeyhunter was looking for a player like you a little while back, shoot him a PM...
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Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:

Originally posted by Purett Purett wrote:

if anyone needs a 2200 player on there team pm me

Bogeyhunter was looking for a player like you a little while back, shoot him a PM...
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"There are currently 866 players in 228 teams for the 2017 JOOLA NA Teams, November 24 through 26 in Washington, DC."

Huge turnout this year. It's going to be awesome! Big smile
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Wow. I think that's the record number since 2010.
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My teenage daughter is a 1200 player that plays more like a 1500 player is anyone can use an U1500 teammate.
Also Pushblocker and I will be playing on the SpinBlock team so stop by and see us. 
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"There are currently 890 players in 230 teams for the 2017 JOOLA NA Teams, November 24 through 26 in Washington, DC." It just keeps growing Shocked
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Originally posted by BMonkey BMonkey wrote:

"There are currently 890 players in 230 teams for the 2017 JOOLA NA Teams, November 24 through 26 in Washington, DC." It just keeps growing Shocked
Last year, there were 714 players on 179 teams.  Butterfly also had a Teams tournament on the East Coast at the same time but with 60 teams entered.  Don't know if Butterfly was happy with the turnout but I think some players complained about having to choose between two competing tournaments on the same weekend.
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Originally posted by GMan4911 GMan4911 wrote:

Originally posted by BMonkey BMonkey wrote:

"There are currently 890 players in 230 teams for the 2017 JOOLA NA Teams, November 24 through 26 in Washington, DC." It just keeps growing Shocked
Last year, there were 714 players on 179 teams.  Butterfly also had a Teams tournament on the East Coast at the same time but with 60 teams entered.  Don't know if Butterfly was happy with the turnout but I think some players complained about having to choose between two competing tournaments on the same weekend.

My understanding is that the intention was to hurt the NA Teams with the competing event. Complaints were that there was no price money in lower events at the NA Teams. I fully understand why there was no price money and can support that. Price money in lower events encourages sandbagging and intentionally dropping an division and then win that division, leaving those who are truly at the lower level no chance to win those events. In this country, we developed the "everyone gets a trophy (or price money)" mentality. 
I never had an issue with the NA Teams. It's usually well run with no or minimal issues. That's why I have gone back many times for that event. Other complaints included that the event makes a lot of profit.. 
What is wrong with supply and demand capitalism?? If they have a product that people are willing to pay for, what's the problem??


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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by GMan4911 GMan4911 wrote:

Originally posted by BMonkey BMonkey wrote:

"There are currently 890 players in 230 teams for the 2017 JOOLA NA Teams, November 24 through 26 in Washington, DC." It just keeps growing Shocked
Last year, there were 714 players on 179 teams.  Butterfly also had a Teams tournament on the East Coast at the same time but with 60 teams entered.  Don't know if Butterfly was happy with the turnout but I think some players complained about having to choose between two competing tournaments on the same weekend.

My understanding is that the intention was to hurt the NA Teams with the competing event. Complaints were that there was no price money in lower events at the NA Teams. I fully understand why there was no price money and can support that. Price money in lower events encourages sandbagging and intentionally dropping an division and then win that division, leaving those who are truly at the lower level no chance to win those events. In this country, we developed the "everyone gets a trophy (or price money)" mentality. 
I never had an issue with the NA Teams. It's usually well run with no or minimal issues. That's why I have gone back many times for that event. Other complaints included that the event makes a lot of profit.. 
What is wrong with supply and demand capitalism?? If they have a product that people are willing to pay for, what's the problem??
There's already so little money in table tennis compared to other sports. I have heard many of the same reasons you listed. It's sad to see people trying to tear something down that, compared to other sports, is so fragile and small in the US over tiny amounts of prize money.
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Originally posted by BMonkey BMonkey wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by GMan4911 GMan4911 wrote:

Originally posted by BMonkey BMonkey wrote:

"There are currently 890 players in 230 teams for the 2017 JOOLA NA Teams, November 24 through 26 in Washington, DC." It just keeps growing Shocked
Last year, there were 714 players on 179 teams.  Butterfly also had a Teams tournament on the East Coast at the same time but with 60 teams entered.  Don't know if Butterfly was happy with the turnout but I think some players complained about having to choose between two competing tournaments on the same weekend.

My understanding is that the intention was to hurt the NA Teams with the competing event. Complaints were that there was no price money in lower events at the NA Teams. I fully understand why there was no price money and can support that. Price money in lower events encourages sandbagging and intentionally dropping an division and then win that division, leaving those who are truly at the lower level no chance to win those events. In this country, we developed the "everyone gets a trophy (or price money)" mentality. 
I never had an issue with the NA Teams. It's usually well run with no or minimal issues. That's why I have gone back many times for that event. Other complaints included that the event makes a lot of profit.. 
What is wrong with supply and demand capitalism?? If they have a product that people are willing to pay for, what's the problem??
There's already so little money in table tennis compared to other sports. I have heard many of the same reasons you listed. It's sad to see people trying to tear something down that, compared to other sports, is so fragile and small in the US over tiny amounts of prize money.

I think that the event is a GREAT benefit to the sport.. There are very few events in this country that attract top international players.. I can only think of the LA Open, US Open and NA Teams.. Other than that, rarely top international players come to the US.
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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by GMan4911 GMan4911 wrote:

Originally posted by BMonkey BMonkey wrote:

"<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;">There are currently 890 players in 230 teams for the 2017 JOOLA NA Teams, November 24 through 26 in Washington, DC." It just keeps growing Shocked</span>
Last year, there were 714 players on 179 teams.  Butterfly also had a Teams tournament on the East Coast at the same time but with 60 teams entered.  Don't know if Butterfly was happy with the turnout but I think some players complained about having to choose between two competing tournaments on the same weekend.

My understanding is that the intention was to hurt the NA Teams with the competing event. Complaints were that there was no price money in lower events at the NA Teams. I fully understand why there was no price money and can support that. Price money in lower events encourages sandbagging and intentionally dropping an division and then win that division, leaving those who are truly at the lower level no chance to win those events. In this country, we developed the "everyone gets a trophy (or price money)" mentality. 
I never had an issue with the NA Teams. It's usually well run with no or minimal issues. That's why I have gone back many times for that event. Other complaints included that the event makes a lot of profit.. 
What is wrong with supply and demand capitalism?? If they have a product that people are willing to pay for, what's the problem??

Some of this is plainly untrue and unfair to Dan Seemiller and the late Mark Nordby.

1.  The complaint was never about prize money but about a lack of proper prizes or trophies.   That the winner used to go home without a memento was fairly ridiculous for the entry fees that people paid.  That has nothing to do with the everyone is a winner mentality but more about the quality of the event.  The USATT is now giving medals at events in the US Nationals and US Open I believe and this is a positive thing, regardless of prize money.

2.  That someone is championing supply and demand capitalism and railing against competition which is the way that mechanism is regulated is odd - I won't explain why since you are obviously smart enough to stop being hypocritical.

Suffice to say that the Butterfly Teams made the NA Teams a better event.  Early entry pricing was improved as well as as various aspects of the competition.  I supported Butterfly because I lived in PA and I would have not minded playing again in Philly but the idea that a well organized event is a bad thing is a misunderstanding of what capitalism and competition is about.  I suspect by the way that NA Teams is benefitting from some of the people that Butterfly bought out of the woodworks who just want to play now no matter the costs.      


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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by GMan4911 GMan4911 wrote:

Originally posted by BMonkey BMonkey wrote:

"<span style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12.8px;">There are currently 890 players in 230 teams for the 2017 JOOLA NA Teams, November 24 through 26 in Washington, DC." It just keeps growing Shocked</span>
Last year, there were 714 players on 179 teams.  Butterfly also had a Teams tournament on the East Coast at the same time but with 60 teams entered.  Don't know if Butterfly was happy with the turnout but I think some players complained about having to choose between two competing tournaments on the same weekend.

My understanding is that the intention was to hurt the NA Teams with the competing event. Complaints were that there was no price money in lower events at the NA Teams. I fully understand why there was no price money and can support that. Price money in lower events encourages sandbagging and intentionally dropping an division and then win that division, leaving those who are truly at the lower level no chance to win those events. In this country, we developed the "everyone gets a trophy (or price money)" mentality. 
I never had an issue with the NA Teams. It's usually well run with no or minimal issues. That's why I have gone back many times for that event. Other complaints included that the event makes a lot of profit.. 
What is wrong with supply and demand capitalism?? If they have a product that people are willing to pay for, what's the problem??

Some of this is plainly untrue and unfair to Dan Seemiller and the late Mark Nordby.

1.  The complaint was never about prize money but about a lack of proper prizes or trophies.   That the winner used to go home without a memento was fairly ridiculous for the entry fees that people paid.  That has nothing to do with the everyone is a winner mentality but more about the quality of the event.  The USATT is now giving medals at events in the US Nationals and US Open I believe and this is a positive thing, regardless of prize money.

2.  That someone is championing supply and demand capitalism and railing against competition which is the way that mechanism is regulated is odd - I won't explain why since you are obviously smart enough to stop being hypocritical.

Suffice to say that the Butterfly Teams made the NA Teams a better event.  Early entry pricing was improved as well as as various aspects of the competition.  I supported Butterfly because I lived in PA and I would have not minded playing again in Philly but the idea that a well organized event is a bad thing is a misunderstanding of what capitalism and competition is about.  I suspect by the way that NA Teams is benefitting from some of the people that Butterfly bought out of the woodworks who just want to play now no matter the costs.      

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I've heard some rumors that the Joola Flash balls that will be used at the Teams is going to be different (slightly or significantly) than the Flash balls sold in the US untill now.
I called NA Table Tennis to ask, and their answer wasn't very convincing "The balls will be rounder and more durable, but we don't know anything beyond that"
Does anyone have any information about the balls?

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Originally posted by VictorK VictorK wrote:

I've heard some rumors that the Joola Flash balls that will be used at the Teams is going to be different (slightly or significantly) than the Flash balls sold in the US untill now.
I called NA Table Tennis to ask, and their answer wasn't very convincing "The balls will be rounder and more durable, but we don't know anything beyond that"
Does anyone have any information about the balls?


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Originally posted by Purett Purett wrote:

Originally posted by VictorK VictorK wrote:

I've heard some rumors that the Joola Flash balls that will be used at the Teams is going to be different (slightly or significantly) than the Flash balls sold in the US untill now.
I called NA Table Tennis to ask, and their answer wasn't very convincing "The balls will be rounder and more durable, but we don't know anything beyond that"
Does anyone have any information about the balls?


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If it's D40+, then it's not bad, IMHO. But why would JOOLA Teams be played with DHS ball?


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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

From its website:

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All USATT and ITTF rules and regulations will be followed. JOOLA tables & net sets will be used with white JOOLA Flash 40+ seamless balls

@Purett's comment was an inside joke - he dislikes the DHS D40+ balls, and got frustrated when he and I played with it last night :o)

As to the quote you posted about Joola Flash 40+ balls being used, based on my conversation with NA Table Tennis, it was certain that we will use Flash 40+ at NA Teams - What wasn't certain if the Flash 40+ balls will be in any way different than the ones we've been using until now ... which, BTW, became horrible recently in terms of roundness (I bought 36 and and only 6-7 were playable)
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 With 902 players, this has got to be one of the largest, if not the largest turn out in the tournament's history, or am i mistaken.   Anyway, it's a huge number, wonderful.

 There's always  a bit of smallness though, in these tournaments. Of the 20-30 odd Canadian/Canada based players registered, mine was the only one where there was a misspelling, causing a "0" rating for a long time. Had I not noticed it, and got it corrected, who knows what would have happened. I might have arrived in Washington, and found that I am  not eligible to play( or not until usatt was contacted, which wouldn't be easy) , based on some silly error.  No other Canadian player has had this problem. And this despite having played 47 tournaments in the US since 2001, probably twice as many as the next most active player! It's not "Bob Smith", but neither is it a particularly difficult name. There are other names in  the tournament where you could more easily misplace vowels and consonants!But alas, only mine



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Originally posted by AVarun AVarun wrote:

 With 902 players, this has got to be one of the largest, if not the largest turn out in the tournament's history, or am i mistaken.   Anyway, it's a huge number, wonderful.

 There's always  a bit of smallness though, in these tournaments. Of the 20-30 odd Canadian/Canada based players registered, mine was the only one where there was a misspelling, causing a "0" rating for a long time. Had I not noticed it, and got it corrected, who knows what would have happened. I might have arrived in Washington, and found that I am  not eligible to play( or not until usatt was contacted, which wouldn't be easy) , based on some silly error.  No other Canadian player has had this problem. And this despite having played 47 tournaments in the US since 2001, probably twice as many as the next most active player! It's not "Bob Smith", but neither is it a particularly difficult name. There are other names in  the tournament where you could more easily misplace vowels and consonants!But alas, only mine


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I was perhaps naively thinking that common sense and a little intestinal fortitude would trump such dry technicalities. How many Canada based players who have played in over 40 tournaments in the US, would have my name?  If the difference was between, say, Bob Smith and Bob Smythe, it would be understandable. In my case, it was not a different spelling of the last name, just one measly consonant at the end of it, that someone had mistakenly typed!


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I am looking for one player rated above 1700 to complete 5 player team. If interested PM me. Thanks and I look forward to meeting some of you at the tournament.
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Usatt was very excited in promoting this match of the Bundesliga in US, but they didn't supported the US club league finals with US teams.
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