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Pushblocker
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I'm nowhere close to their playing level but I did take a game off Yue Wu when I last played her.. |
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USA Yue Wu World Rank 120 USATT rating 2521 Amalie Solja World rank 123 So Solja USATT rating would be 300-400 above the pushblocker |
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I think the only thing pushblocker enjoys more than beating high rated players is... seeing the spiteful, bitter comments from posters online!
PB is one of my favorites to watch, and has a style I try to employ in part. I love being the proverbial wall and saying "just try to hit by me!" Blocking them down is such great fun... but, as with most defenders, the player is never given credit for winning. It's either a "I had a bad day and just missed my shots" or "you're crap and can't win without pips/anti!" An attacker is praised for hitting winners and demolishing his opponent. While a player like PB is written off as lucky or unskilled, lol... The truth is though, those players are missing BECAUSE of PB's skill in using the rubber and forcing, yes FORCING, errors from them. Just as a chopper might vary spin and 'force' an error (which is labeled as an unforced error), the pushblocker uses angles, speed, tempo, and changes in spin to bring about mistakes. I wonder how amelia solja would do against the people pushblocker plays. She seems to be a bit more aggressive in parts, but is fairly BH oriented just the same.
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This is absolutely correct. I try to figure out what my opponents weaknesses are and then I will exploit them..
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Everyone knew it. Now it's confirmed... LOL!
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Reflecting Pushblocker plays a specific strategy that he has honed over many years vs various styles of players. He exposes fundamental weaknesses in players by moving the ball all over the table. An opponent, to beat him, has to play methodical, see the video. Players who lose to lp players either don't have the discipline or skills of shots needed to win at the level being played. |
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in tournaments, we are at 5:5. Most matches go 5 games.. Edited by Pushblocker - 11/07/2017 at 4:51pm |
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I'm 1800,
So are you. I use spring sponge inverted; You do too. You beat me, Then I beat you. But the guy over there, He uses long pips. Pips that have been known To sink cruise ships. And make a ball Do dives and dips. And give naive young loopers Bad head trips. But if you should become World Class, You won't have to worry About all that jazz. Just stoke what you got With the latest booster, And your game will be as nasty As a Loosiana rooster. Pushblocking with pips Will take you only so far. After that you have to be A defensive star. And though being a D-star (or heck, even a damn good pushblocker) These days is pretty great. To win a World Singles You're gonna have to wait. (till Hell freezes over; it could--climate change)
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Simon_plays
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Interesting reading :)
I would be interested to see a video of 'Pushblocker' playing against a similar rated chopper.
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NextLevel
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Nah. Don't while. Complain about short serves and short pushes. Those mess up the game and should be banned. Anything that bounces twice on the opponent's table should lose the point.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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If you consider a sport beautiful when it requires a young, super-fit athletic body to play, why you watching table tennis videos in the first place? Watch track and field, or diving.
Pushblocker came to the club in my tiny town once and was kind enough to play a match with me. It was a short match as I was about 800 points lower rated. You may not find it beautiful, but to take a cross-court loop drive at his bh and block it so it hooked off my wide fh line was certainly an eye-opener. The thing about lp being unfair is just stupid whining. They are allowed, end of story. Seriously if you aren't tough enough to deal with the rules of table tennis just give up competitive sports. |
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Pushblocker
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Just wanted to add something.. I highly doubt that most players who use inverted on both sides who have been between 1500 and 1800 would suddenly become 2000+ players if they would put pips on their racket and play pushblocking style.. If it was true that pips make you improve 3 levels or so, everyone would use pips and play pushblocking style.. Who wouldn't want to be 2000+ for 15+ years??
Of course, if you are a 1300 level player and you switch to pips, you may jump 200 points, maybe even 300.. However, the higher you get with that style, the more difficult it becomes and you can't fool anyone by just slapping a piece of long pips on your blade..
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If long pips is the easy route and the best, everyone would be using them! Imo, they are more difficult to use than inverted grippy rubbers. And Short pips probably the most difficult to use well, out of the three.
How come no one complains about blades? Surely a slower one is easier to use compared to OFF and OFF+ ones? People are just complaining because of the perceived advantage of pips. The only advantage they have over inverted users, is unfamiliarity. Similar to why lefties have some advantages. Pips can't even generate their own spin!
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The better you are as a table tennis player, the better you appreciate the level of skill required to play like pushblocker almost to the point you begin to enjoy watching it. In chess, we have similar considerations about how certain playing styles are considered "boring" but they can become beautiful in the eyes of someone who appreciates the kinds of gifts one has to have to play them. So while I agree that the general audience won't find this as aesthetically pleasing as a looper vs chopper or looper vs looper battle, the question of rating is relevant as it does ask the question of whether the critic is at a playing level that enables him to appreciate the difficulty of the style. Of course, one can very well not be and that level and still be a critic. But it is just a data point to consider and not always irrelevant.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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bard romance
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Understood and agreed. However, aesthetically pleasing is a separate issue. I think most people can agree that it is not an aesthetically pleasing style. Understanding what is actually going on on the gameplay level is a separate thing. Though it does seem like a number of the posters here would fall into the group you mentioned.
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He is asking to understand the motives of the poster. Many people are just annoyed that pips players can play well without the same level of athleticism of most similarly rated inverted players. But if the player is highly rated then the criticisms are less likely to be driven by ratings envy. I had a 1200 friend who lost to a 1500 pips player complain this weekend, while I understood how he felt, you usually don't beat pips players until you come to accept what they do well and what they don't do well and adapt your game weapons to take advantage. Saying your opponent is hiding behind equipment makes it harder to play pips well in my experience. Edited by NextLevel - 11/07/2017 at 2:50pm |
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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2nd that observation: those were not actually "unforced" errors. the opponent exerted on you directly or indirectly. That being said, your style is a measuring stick for a player's soundness in fundamentals and understanding of spin
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i sure do.. Those pips instantly made me a 2000+ player.. They are magical Edited by Pushblocker - 11/07/2017 at 11:53am |
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With all due respect, I cannot agree with pushblocker's statement; he don't play like Fukuoka Haruna, Stefan Kostadinovic or Liu Song after the 2nd ball
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hmm .. so instead to practice service return you choose easy way and use pips :) |
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I had about 2 attacks in game 1 and one attach in game 3.. Don't think that 3 attacks in 4 games make me an attacker . I have taken games off 2000 players using inverted.. I was using a 729 SST cross on the bh and some looping rubber with a soft sponge on the forehand (don't recall what brand it was). I can play about low 2000 level with anti which is also an inverted rubber... My main issue with inverted is not when the ball is in play. My main problem with inverted is service return.. I never practice service return with inverted as I return all serves with pips..
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I think there is some truth to this. At lower levels, you can win with LP simply because your opponents haven't had enough experience against them. This scenario can be the one that frustrates opponents and bakes in the idea that they're unfair in some way. I can see both sides to this - new players can be put off the sport, and LP can be a crutch to keep older players competitive. For many new players it's just a phase they need to get through, and good coaching is the best way. After the lower levels everything tends to even out. I tend to do well against players at my level using LP or anti because I find them predictable and can easily set up attacks on subsequent balls, but that's come with experience and training over many years. I see them as an advantage in my favour. Players who are better than me are more likely to beat me of course, regardless of equipment. At the top level the laws of physics come into play and there is a reason why the top 100 is dominated by reverse rubber users these days. It would take something unusual or innovative to get a LP/SP/Anti world number one now. Oliver is something of a marvel in the modern game. I have no idea how he plays like he does, especially in the face of rule changes over the last 10 years which will have knocked him back. I find it fascinating and I take my hat off to him - the dedication he must have put into the style is incredibly impressive. Sure, I don't find it attractive in the aesthetic sense (a very subjective statement), but in practical, sporting terms it's amazing.
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bard romance
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Could you expound on why someone needs to be able to possibly beat pushblocker to comment on how aesthetically pleasing his style is, when he is posting his match videos on the forum for public commenting? I'm not taking anything away from his game, just don't get this statement at all.
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so if I can't beat FZD I am not allow to criticize him or his style? :) |
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Nice match! Haterz gonna hate... LOL! Many people don't understand that by the time a player reaches I would say around 1950-ish level, your table tennis IQ needs to be pretty good. Blocking 2500 level loops off the bounce is NOT an easy thing to do. Was that a FH loopkill at 0:51 of game 3? You are no longer allowed to call yourself a "non-attacking" pushblocker But I think your inverted rating can be higher than 1400. What rubbers were you using? You need to slap some 729FX or Reflectoid and play like this penholder.
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============= Agree with this statement 100%.
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Edited by Pushblocker - 11/06/2017 at 9:20pm |
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Playing regularly with a lot of high level LP players (including a LP SP hitter), I can say that it is very difficult to appreciate the change in length and pace of the ball unless you are on the receiving end.
PushBlocker has good control on depth and placement and I think he would be quite effective even with an inverted. Edited by ashishsharmaait - 11/06/2017 at 8:52pm |
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