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    Posted: 11/11/2017 at 2:33pm
Further to the most interesting thread on the transition from classic to modern TT,  there was another level of advancement in the early 1970's, The introduction of the backhand loop. Who in history has the acclaim of bringing that into the game ? My thoughts are the Hungarians, but not so sure. It was massively important because it changed the tactics massively, a player could hold position and open up with a topspin, instead of having to move round to his backhand side of the table to open up. Grubba was the king of this around the late 70's early 80's, but he had to get his inspiration from somewhere. 
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It's definitely the Europeans. Japanese considered the backhand the "evil way" and fell behind.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

It's definitely the Europeans. Japanese considered the backhand the "evil way" and fell behind.
yes, I think that the Chinese did too for a while.
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 There was a player in the 1970's who was virtually all Backhand loop, Joseph Dvoracek ( spelling)
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It was worse for China. Back then they considered the close-to-table fast attack style as the most advanced style and viewed looping as having no future.
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 Yes definitely right there, I think there was some old school coaches in China who wanted to stick with the tradition, after Hungary beat them in 72, they stuck with the same formula but used LP's more, then when Sweden beat them they changed and started to look at what the Europeans were doing, hence Kong Ling Hue
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In first heard about the big backhand loop of Istvan Jonyer. Whereas Klamplar utilized the super-loop on the forehand and the fast backhand flick, Jonyer would super-loop on both wings. We used to study films of their great matches against China.
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This is a good recent video of a Jonyer demonstrating his technique. Very economical.

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Nice video, thanksThumbs Up
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Does Jonyer coach these days? Its nice to see that the old masters still have some moves!!!
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When I watch his matches, he was doing the Chiquita or at least over the table backhand looping.    Just not the super aggressive stuff we see today and it was easy to mix it up with a regular backhand flick.

https://youtu.be/eUMTcc9Kl8s?t=124


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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

When I watch his matches, he was doing the Chiquita or at least over the table backhand looping.    Just not the super aggressive stuff we see today and it was easy to mix it up with a regular backhand flick.

https://youtu.be/eUMTcc9Kl8s?t=124


Thanks for the vid!

My guess is by this time the Hungarians are using speed glue which, combined with their beautiful touch and high spin, made for an awesome game. The speed glue era begins.
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 Mostly through the 1980's the best exponent of b/hand looping was Grubba. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bzHDga52gA
 

If you want to see some real skill, watch the rally at 10:12.
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Even more amazing is that Grubba was originally left-handed.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Even more amazing is that Grubba was originally left-handed.
Yes, watch the rally at 10:12 above, that really take some doing, weight transfer during a smash???
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