T05 vs MXP

Innerforce Layer ALC+Tenergy 05 on forehand and Rasant Grip on backhand. I forgot to mention. Mx-p was heavier by 4 grams. T05 cut is 47.4 while Mx-p cut was 51.4 both 157x150. The paddle has now a very nice balance. My T05 is 2.1.

Edited by Victor2016 - 02/07/2018 at 2:58pm

victor, what blade and size of rubbers ?

A bit less catapult and some added spin and arc sounds like a pretty good deal to me, got to try the Z1! You dint like the z1 for your short game right? So does that aspect carry forward on serves too, resulting in just average spin on serves?
I did watch the YouTube vid, but I'm a fair bit more comfortable with your assessment since i have read a good deal of your posts/reviews.

nv42 wrote: It is true that they don't offer much catapult on softer strokes, but when yu start using the sponge(during mid-year hits) they do offer a decent bit of catapult. The aurus prime does feel as bouncy/catapulty as mx-p in this regard (maybe even more). Atleast that's what iv observed, as well as a few opinions iv read online.

The latest generation of ESN rubbers(z1, aurus, rasanter) are completely different from MX-P/T05, they do not have the same catapult, and you need to work way harder to get any pace on the ball. 

Z1 is more insensitive to spin than MX-P or T05 in short game & I don't like that (I'm probably in the minority here). So, I perhaps prefer T05 or MX-P's touch / feel to Z1.

Z1 is a monster at everything else - opening loops, topspin-topspin, grip, arc, consistency, power. Higher throw than MX-P. More powerful but more linear than MX-P.

Note, this is for the thickest sponge Z1 vs max MX-P.

Mickael wrote: My thoughts mx-p is the best offensive rubber when new, especially after reading this thread! Is there any other rubber with the exact same characteristics without a booster in it?

MX-P was the best (for me) for many years. Not any more. Bluestorm Z1 has supplanted it.

HarmonicTT wrote: If you put too much force or pressure when you put it on it'll expand and stretch hence causing the skrinkage as you claim

I know, exactly why I mentioned that I had removed the rubbers after 1 month and it had no signs of shrinkage then, if I had stretched out the rubber while gluing, it should've shrunk when I removed it then, but it shrunk a bit only the 2nd time I removed it around 2-3 months later. Again, I'm talking abt pretty minimal shrinkage here.

Nope, I use regualr water based glue, gewo/revo /tibhar etc. And I did have an mx-s and an el-s shrink, but only after like around 4 months of usage. And the shrinkage was pretty minimal, 1-2mm at the most, I can confirm that it shrunk cuz I did reglue the rubbers once after the 1 month period and it had no shrinkage (hence it dint shrink cuz I stretched out the rubber while gluing).

Recently reglue a friend's mx-s after he used it for 3-4 months and even that had around 2mm shrinkage from all sides. Thats pretty minimal compared to what happens with an mx-p. However, old gen rubbers like aurus, rakza, vega pro etc don't shrink a bit.

Edited by nv42 - 01/26/2018 at 2:41pm

Even t05 isn't boosted according to many, but for some reason it still does shrink, the same with aurus prime. I noticed it with a sheet of hype kr too. The shrinkage is quite minimal, nothinh like the mx-p, bluefire m generation rubbers.

Mx-s definitely is blade dependent, love how it plays on my buddy's tb alc, its a pretty high throw alc (highest one iv tried). Found it alright on a lowish throw vega pro. And found it really weird on a ebenholz, just dint like the feel. Also felt pretty darn good on a stratus power wood (dint get to try this for long, but felt pretty darn good). It definitely is meant for brush looping like next level mentioned.

Also, mx-s shrinks a decent amount too if that helps.

Anyway, wonder how come very few have tried the gewo hype xt 50. It's got a softer topsheet compared to mx-p and mx-s, really supports consistent looping from a few steps off the table (not really blade dependent but feels good on mid-flexy (tbalc etc) koto and hinoki outers, felt kinda outta place on the vega pro, so not sure how it'l be on a limba ply but I reckon it should work well since it's a pretty easy to use rubber.

rocketman222 wrote: NL, what is the weight of MX-S in 1.9, looking for an avg

MX-S is for brush looping and the throw is extremely high if you loop with arc.   It tends to flatten out if your stroke is not spin focused. That's where the confusion about its throw comes from.

I am interested to know what those in the know think about how MX-S fits in to this conversation... We covered Aurus Prime in comparison to MX-P and T05 so I don't think it derails the thread too much. There appear to be a lot of satisfied users of MX-S, as well as a lot of people that just don't get on with it. I only tried it once on a Nittaku S-CZ blade and it played terrible. I think it needs a hard outer ply and carbon to play the way I would want it to, the spruce on the S-CZ did not seem to marry well at all. I have a sneaky feeling MX-S has the potential to be the best of the bunch, but with it being very blade dependant, (a lot more so than MX-P and T05) and requiring a specific stroke style by the user (brush hard to make your own arc). 

Edited by MydasDiablo - 01/24/2018 at 2:57pm

patrickhrdlicka wrote: If I had to choose between an unlimited supply of MX-P vs T05, I would choose MX-P.

Aurus Prime has a much different feeling (soaks more) than MXP, and it jsd similar/less speed and is more durable, esp the topsheet imo.