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    Posted: 02/20/2018 at 2:58am
using both boosters for a long periof of time, dandoy is better than falco. I was dissapointed many time from falco's speed. The only thing is that dandoy lasts less, maybe 15-18 days in max speed... In addition, my tenergy's are damaged more often with dandoy booster, maybe after 2-3 times reboosting the rubber scratches in the middle..
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Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:


I've bought Seamoon from Prott and ttnpp, they are both the same. I assume both of them are genuine or all fake.

Both Falco and Seamoon are quite similar. They're thick and slow absorbed to the sponge. They're not quite fast in comparision to Dianchi or Kailin.
Both of them can be used dirrectly to sponge.


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However I could tell the difference.
Seamoon is a little bit faster. When apply to glue layer, Seamoon still keep the glue strong while Falco loosen it. Seamoon slightly soften the sponge while Falco weaken the sponge significantly.
The most important is, Seamoon won't make H3 topsheet to be slippery after 1-2 times boosting, while Falco effects at the first time.


Falco Tempo Long definitely softens the sponge more. 

But the slippery effect - I haven't seen FTL make H3 Neo (or TG2/3 Neo) slippery when reboosting those rubbers.  I can't speak to regular (non Neo) H3 or TG2/3 since I haven't used them in years.

Perhaps the Neo topsheet was designed to be more booster compatible?

Right the time after reboosting is no problem, or you have applied too little to let it penetrate to the topsheet. Wait for a couple weeks or use more than one brush.
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Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:


I've bought Seamoon from Prott and ttnpp, they are both the same. I assume both of them are genuine or all fake.

Both Falco and Seamoon are quite similar. They're thick and slow absorbed to the sponge. They're not quite fast in comparision to Dianchi or Kailin.
Both of them can be used dirrectly to sponge.


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However I could tell the difference.
Seamoon is a little bit faster. When apply to glue layer, Seamoon still keep the glue strong while Falco loosen it. Seamoon slightly soften the sponge while Falco weaken the sponge significantly.
The most important is, Seamoon won't make H3 topsheet to be slippery after 1-2 times boosting, while Falco effects at the first time.

Falco Tempo Long definitely softens the sponge more. 

But the slippery effect - I haven't seen FTL make H3 Neo (or TG2/3 Neo) slippery when reboosting those rubbers.  I can't speak to regular (non Neo) H3 or TG2/3 since I haven't used them in years.

Perhaps the Neo topsheet was designed to be more booster compatible?
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Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:


I honestly can't tell the difference in speed between the Seamoon i bought from ttnpp and FTL.

-The FTL just lasts longer.
-The seamon can be used to tune the glue layer as well as being applied to sponge.

Is it possible the Seamoon from ttnpp is not real?

i've gotten lots of fakes and factory 2nds from ttnpp before.

I've bought Seamoon from Prott and ttnpp, they are both the same. I assume both of them are genuine or all fake.

Both Falco and Seamoon are quite similar. They're thick and slow absorbed to the sponge. They're not quite fast in comparision to Dianchi or Kailin.
Both of them can be used dirrectly to sponge.
 
However I could tell the difference.
Seamoon is a little bit faster. When apply to glue layer, Seamoon still keep the glue strong while Falco loosen it. Seamoon slightly soften the sponge while Falco weaken the sponge significantly.
The most important is, Seamoon won't make H3 topsheet to be slippery after 1-2 times boosting, while Falco effects at the first time.
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Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:

Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:


Well, in this case you should buy a softer H3. Why do you buy a harder sponge and tune it to be softer?


Any H3 41 that has been tuned with Falco, Dandoy, or Haifu (at least, probably others as well) and softened to 39 degrees will play faster, spinnier and more elastic than a stock H3 39 degree...

Agree!
However, Falco is the slowest one.


I honestly can't tell the difference in speed between the Seamoon i bought from ttnpp and FTL.

-The FTL just lasts longer.
-The seamon can be used to tune the glue layer as well as being applied to sponge.

Is it possible the Seamoon from ttnpp is not real?

i've gotten lots of fakes and factory 2nds from ttnpp before.
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Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:


Well, in this case you should buy a softer H3. Why do you buy a harder sponge and tune it to be softer?


Any H3 41 that has been tuned with Falco, Dandoy, or Haifu (at least, probably others as well) and softened to 39 degrees will play faster, spinnier and more elastic than a stock H3 39 degree...

Agree!
However, Falco is the slowest one.

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Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:


Well, in this case you should buy a softer H3. Why do you buy a harder sponge and tune it to be softer?


Any H3 41 that has been tuned with Falco, Dandoy, or Haifu (at least, probably others as well) and softened to 39 degrees will play faster, spinnier and more elastic than a stock H3 39 degree...


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Originally posted by rocketman222 rocketman222 wrote:

Chop4ever, I did notice the topsheet getting slippery, do you know why this happens with Falco?

I can only guess that caused by a small amount of paraffin has penetrated over glue layer to the pips, then gone to the topsheet surface.
To cure that effect, you shouldn't put it back and wait, it won't recover. Glue that rubber to the feeding bat (for multiball), after 100 hours playing it will be back to the original tackiness. I guess the ball has carried out oil from the topsheet.


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Chop4ever, I did notice the topsheet getting slippery, do you know why this happens with Falco?

Edited by rocketman222 - 02/14/2018 at 8:49pm
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Originally posted by Kolev Kolev wrote:



Logically this make sense. From what I have tried the softer TG3(I guess H3 as well) is slower than the ones I boost, although they become more or less equally soft


The problem originally doesn't come from the hardness of Chinese rubbers, it comes from the quality control and the way they mark specific hardness on the sponge. Myself (and I remember Haggisv used to state the same issue) had many funny exp of the same "D40" on 3 "prov H3" but actually played all differently. Even it has the same "hardness" but one fast one slow, doesn't matter boosting or not.

However, noone has considered the side effect of Falco booster. yet it soften and a little bit enhance the speed, it also loosen the glue between topsheet and sponge, causes bubbles quickly! If bubble is not your concern, then have u noticed the topsheet will be less tacky but slipery by boosting with Falco? 

back to the topic, my oppinion is to buy softer H3 and use Dandoy: no side effect, faster and lighter, the reboost time might be shorter but your H3 is still good and fresh.


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Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:

Originally posted by Hudoi Hudoi wrote:

?
Tell me, please, where to buy Chop4ever?

You actually can't buy Chop4ever...it is impossible!
I've bought a 500ml can of Stiga Extreme from long ago, just for comparing to Nittaku Axel Speed. It's been discontinued however you could buy the last 500ml can from me. I've used some drops, 499ml is still there.
And if you are worry that if you have used all 500ml Stiga Extreme, where to find it again. Then buy Phoenix Reviver, more powerful and last 2x longer.



Hi , i could send him a test sample of your stuff chop, and he pays only the shipping cost etc. If he wants to try reviver phoenix.

Thank you my friend!

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Originally posted by mttgfg mttgfg wrote:

Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:

Originally posted by Hudoi Hudoi wrote:

?
Tell me, please, where to buy Chop4ever?

You actually can't buy Chop4ever...it is impossible!
I've bought a 500ml can of Stiga Extreme from long ago, just for comparing to Nittaku Axel Speed. It's been discontinued however you could buy the last 500ml can from me. I've used some drops, 499ml is still there.
And if you are worry that if you have used all 500ml Stiga Extreme, where to find it again. Then buy Phoenix Reviver, more powerful and last 2x longer.



Hi , i could send him a test sample of your stuff chop, and he pays only the shipping cost etc. If he wants to try reviver phoenix.
I would like to try it as well.  Please PM me for the arrangement.  Thanks.  
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Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:

Originally posted by Kolev Kolev wrote:

I would like to try other boosters, but really have a problem to make my choice cause no one around me is boosting. And when I say boosting I am not sure what to expect exactly. As I mentioned the FTL makes my fubbers softer and "livelier" but more or less that's all. I am not sure about spin or speed

Try any of these Dianchi, Lidu, Kailin, Nittaku Axel, Stiga Extreme, Dandoy, Joola Bio, TFR,...and even Phoenix Reviver (my tuner liquid). We stand from the opposite side of Falco.


sometimes I need to soften the sponge of chinese rubbers forever.what booster would be good?

Well, in this case you should buy a softer H3. Why do you buy a harder sponge and tune it to be softer?


Logically this make sense. From what I have tried the softer TG3(I guess H3 as well) is slower than the ones I boost, although they become more or less equally soft
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Originally posted by Kolev Kolev wrote:

I would like to try other boosters, but really have a problem to make my choice cause no one around me is boosting. And when I say boosting I am not sure what to expect exactly. As I mentioned the FTL makes my fubbers softer and "livelier" but more or less that's all. I am not sure about spin or speed

Do you boost an exact number of layers or many layers until the rubber dome?

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Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:

Originally posted by Hudoi Hudoi wrote:

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Tell me, please, where to buy Chop4ever?

You actually can't buy Chop4ever...it is impossible!
I've bought a 500ml can of Stiga Extreme from long ago, just for comparing to Nittaku Axel Speed. It's been discontinued however you could buy the last 500ml can from me. I've used some drops, 499ml is still there.
And if you are worry that if you have used all 500ml Stiga Extreme, where to find it again. Then buy Phoenix Reviver, more powerful and last 2x longer.



Hi , i could send him a test sample of your stuff chop, and he pays only the shipping cost etc. If he wants to try reviver phoenix.


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Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:

Originally posted by Hudoi Hudoi wrote:

?
Tell me, please, where to buy Chop4ever?

You actually can't buy Chop4ever...it is impossible!
I've bought a 500ml can of Stiga Extreme from long ago, just for comparing to Nittaku Axel Speed. It's been discontinued however you could buy the last 500ml can from me. I've used some drops, 499ml is still there.
And if you are worry that if you have used all 500ml Stiga Extreme, where to find it again. Then buy Phoenix Reviver, more powerful and last 2x longer.


Lol!  What about the Phoenix Reviver?  :P
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anyone knows where I can purchase Stiga Extreme? please PM me

Buy Nittaku Speed Axel if you can't find the Stiga Extreme, they are the same.

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You actually can't buy Chop4ever...it is impossible!
I've bought a 500ml can of Stiga Extreme from long ago, just for comparing to Nittaku Axel Speed. It's been discontinued however you could buy the last 500ml can from me. I've used some drops, 499ml is still there.
And if you are worry that if you have used all 500ml Stiga Extreme, where to find it again. Then buy Phoenix Reviver, more powerful and last 2x longer.

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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:

Originally posted by Kolev Kolev wrote:

I would like to try other boosters, but really have a problem to make my choice cause no one around me is boosting. And when I say boosting I am not sure what to expect exactly. As I mentioned the FTL makes my fubbers softer and "livelier" but more or less that's all. I am not sure about spin or speed

Try any of these Dianchi, Lidu, Kailin, Nittaku Axel, Stiga Extreme, Dandoy, Joola Bio, TFR,...and even Phoenix Reviver (my tuner liquid). We stand from the opposite side of Falco.


sometimes I need to soften the sponge of chinese rubbers forever.what booster would be good?

Well, in this case you should buy a softer H3. Why do you buy a harder sponge and tune it to be softer?
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anyone knows where I can purchase Stiga Extreme? please PM me
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Though falco works great on ESN, it does not have as much of an effect on Chinese sponge, also Chop4ever is the master chemist. I would blindly follow his advice.
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Falco long is great for softening the sponge permanently.
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Originally posted by chop4ever chop4ever wrote:

Originally posted by Kolev Kolev wrote:

I would like to try other boosters, but really have a problem to make my choice cause no one around me is boosting. And when I say boosting I am not sure what to expect exactly. As I mentioned the FTL makes my fubbers softer and "livelier" but more or less that's all. I am not sure about spin or speed

Try any of these Dianchi, Lidu, Kailin, Nittaku Axel, Stiga Extreme, Dandoy, Joola Bio, TFR,...and even Phoenix Reviver (my tuner liquid). We stand from the opposite side of Falco.


sometimes I need to soften the sponge of chinese rubbers forever.what booster would be good?
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Originally posted by Kolev Kolev wrote:

I would like to try other boosters, but really have a problem to make my choice cause no one around me is boosting. And when I say boosting I am not sure what to expect exactly. As I mentioned the FTL makes my fubbers softer and "livelier" but more or less that's all. I am not sure about spin or speed

Try any of these Dianchi, Lidu, Kailin, Nittaku Axel, Stiga Extreme, Dandoy, Joola Bio, TFR,...and even Phoenix Reviver (my tuner liquid). We stand from the opposite side of Falco.
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Originally posted by Kolev Kolev wrote:

I would like to try other boosters, but really have a problem to make my choice cause no one around me is boosting. And when I say boosting I am not sure what to expect exactly. As I mentioned the FTL makes my fubbers softer and "livelier" but more or less that's all. I am not sure about spin or speed
Do you boost an exact number of layers or many layers until the rubber dome?
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хочешь получить ответ тогда надо писать на английском. Тут русских мало.

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I would like to try other boosters, but really have a problem to make my choice cause no one around me is boosting. And when I say boosting I am not sure what to expect exactly. As I mentioned the FTL makes my fubbers softer and "livelier" but more or less that's all. I am not sure about spin or speed
4x Hallmark Carbon Extreme
FH: RakzaX, TG3 NEO,
BH: any fast and light rubber
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