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    Posted: 12/18/2017 at 2:29pm
Open drop-down window of the tournament, select 2018 Hungarian Open.

Notes:  
Japan has only one player entered, as of now.
Ma Long and Xu Xin will not be there.
Sun Yingsha has a world ranking of 52.
Yu Ziyang has a world ranking of 387.

*** Oh well, qualifiers in the same group as Sun Yingsha
*** may not have a very good chance to advance to the Main Draw.

Rant:  Ma Long played less frequent than Sun Yingsha, If ML should play sometime down the road,
          he may not end up with a WR of 52 as Sun Yingsha, he may end up with a WR of 152.
          What a joke. (Don't think that will bother ML much, he just kills every player in front of him.)


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It seems Wu Yang , Liu Shiwen , Mu Zi...will dissapear of the ranking if they can’t participate...
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funny HAZIN Jeremy higher ranking then WANG Chuqin
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

It seems Wu Yang , Liu Shiwen , Mu Zi...will dissapear of the ranking if they can’t participate...
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Should they play in the future, these 3 players along with Ding Ning will be in the Qualification Groups.
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

funny HAZIN Jeremy higher ranking then WANG Chuqin
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Hazin Jeremy's World Ranking is higher than Yu Ziyang too.

Mo Zhang's world ranking is higher than Sun Yingsha.
#33 vs #52.


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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

funny HAZIN Jeremy higher ranking then WANG Chuqin

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Hazin Jeremy's World Ranking is higher than Yu Ziyang too.


its doesn't make any sense. no way he plays better then 2 CNT players
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Deadline for singles entry was 12-17-2017 (yesterday).
Japan has only one female player entered, Hamamoto Yui. (No male player.)
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Probably won't be any Japanese players there, 'All Japan Championship' is Jan 15-21. The play list is already published.
http://www.japantabletennis.com/zennihon2018/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/ws.pdf
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

 

its doesn't make any sense. no way he plays better then 2 CNT players

ranking and "rating" should not be confused.  Gotta play internationally to earn points.
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Hope there will be a website springing up - captures players' ratings and arranges them in descending order.

I guess that many TT fans will access that site and take a look.
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Will this new ITTF ranking system be able to force CNT to send their top players to play more in the ITTF sanctioned events? 

(For this Hungarian Open, Ma Long, Xu Xin, Ding Ning and Liu Shiwen will not be there.)


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Someone calculated the new world ranking according to ITTF new ranking system.
Click the link, then scroll down to post #28.
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Ma Long dropped from #1 to #7.
Ding Ning did worse:  dropped from #1 to #21.
(Liu Shiwen will be #24.)
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For events that only top 16 players are seeded, Ma Long will still be seeded,
but Ding Ning and Liu Shiwen may be seeded or may end up in the Qualification Groups.

It depends on how many players ranked higher than Ding Ning and Liu Shiwen
have entered that particular event.


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I didn't really know how the new ranking system was going to work, so I was kind of looking forward to it... But I think this is going a bit too far hehe. Seems a little too volatile.. 
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Someone calculated the new world ranking according to ITTF new ranking system.
Click the link, then scroll down to post #28.
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Ma Long dropped from #1 to #7.
Ding Ning did worse:  dropped from #1 to #21.
(Liu Shiwen will be #24.)
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For events that only top 16 players are seeded, Ma Long will still be seeded,
but Ding Ning and Liu Shiwen may be seeded or may end up in the Qualification Groups.

It depends on how many players ranked higher than Ding Ning and Liu Shiwen
have entered that particular event.


My preliminary calculations for the top 10 women are almost completely identical ....
A small difference with F.T. , but it is still in third place ...
Hina Hayata-10935, outside the top 10 ..
 My opinion, after Hungary-Open in January 2018 Mima Ito and Miu Hirano, if they stay in the top 10, then only at the very bottom ...
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The ittf ranking is a farce. Some crappy players
will rank in the top 10, While some of the very best will rank outside the top 15. It all depends on how diligent these players participate in ittf tournaments. It is a joke
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

The ittf ranking is a farce. Some crappy players
will rank in the top 10, While some of the very best will rank outside the top 15. It all depends on how diligent these players participate in ittf tournaments. It is a joke


Quite right ... The emphasis is on participation in ITTF tournaments ...
The more often the player participates in them, the higher the rating possible ...

And vice versa...
Therefore San Yingsha in place number 52 ...And Ding Ning and L.S.W will soon be there as well ....
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Originally posted by VladCeller VladCeller wrote:


Therefore San Yingsha in place number 52 ...And Ding Ning and L.S.W will soon be there as well ....
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If Ma Long doesn't play often, he may not be able to hang on to his #7 ranking position - soon he will be outside top 10. 

Ridiculous.

If someone finds out that there is a website that captures ITTF players' ratings and arranges them in descending order, please let us know.
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Sun Yingsha is world #7 in December, 2017 ranking
then drops to #52 in January 2018 - that's a one heck of a drop.


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this new ranking system was born just because ITTF wanted to move chinese players from first places
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Yang Xiaoxin n°248: LOLLLLLLBig smile
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

this new ranking system was born just because ITTF wanted to move chinese players from first places

As a result, they will send 20 players in each event which will lead to : 10 first ranked women will be Chinese and 10 of the 20 first ranked guys will be Chinese....
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

this new ranking system was born just because ITTF wanted to move chinese players from first places


Then for women, for example, the entire top 10 will easily be occupied by Chinese second-third echelon ...
If the coaches of the Chinese team continue the current practice-send not six + six, as before, and the second and third teams, it will happen quite quickly ....
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

this new ranking system was born just because ITTF wanted to move chinese players from first places

As a result, they will send 20 players in each event which will lead to : 10 first ranked women will be Chinese and 10 of the 20 first ranked guys will be Chinese....


Absolutely correct...
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

this new ranking system was born just because ITTF wanted to move chinese players from first places


As a result, they will send 20 players in each event which will lead to : 10 first ranked women will be Chinese and 10 of the 20 first ranked guys will be Chinese....



will see if they will do it. maybe they won't care about ...
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Yang Xiaoxin n°248: LOLLLLLLBig smile
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Yang Xiaoxin is a darn good player, she won Czech Open - she is well inside top 100.
Will drop to #248?  that's a big drop.

Can not find Yang Xiaoxin's December, 2017 ranking.
ITTF database has problems.


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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

The ittf ranking is a farce...It all depends on how diligent these players participate in ittf tournaments.

Do you have a better idea on how to do ITTF rankings if not participation in ITTF tournaments?
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Originally posted by Matt Pimple Matt Pimple wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

The ittf ranking is a farce...It all depends on how diligent these players participate in ittf tournaments.

Do you have a better idea on how to do ITTF rankings if not participation in ITTF tournaments?
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It turned out ITTF got a better idea - but it is rubbish.
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Wow. Ding Ning ranked 21. Did she suddenly start sucking? Obviously not. And she just played the last tournament she was eligible and made it to the finals of the Swedish Open.

The ITTF waNts the players to play every ittf tournament and while I can understand that, for the vast majority of the players, they cannot make a living just playing ITTF tourneys. The prize money is so low that they need to play their local/regional leagues.

Seems very chaotic to me.
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How many of you even follow any other racket sport?

Badminton started using this ranking system in 2007, even before Tennis in 2009. Table Tennis should have made the transition long ago.

It's working well for Badminton. Prize money has increased a lot since. In 2018, there will be some small changes to the points allocated.

The best players tend to play less but still rank higher up.

http://bwfbadminton.com/rankings/
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Yes.

The more events you play in order to maintain a high ranking in order to make more money in the short term, will lead to more injuries ?  Not sustainable for players to maintain a high ranking.

OTOH, if you play fewer events in order to stay fresh and relatively injury free, then you will be seeded lower in tournaments and require tougher matches against top seeds in order to win prize money. AND there's no guarantee your historic reputation will carry you through these many rounds to the finals.

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......if you play fewer events in order to stay fresh and relatively injury free, then you will be seeded lower in tournaments and require tougher matches against top seeds in order to win prize money. AND there's no guarantee your historic reputation will carry you through these many rounds to the finals...

Very important note ....
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Yang Xiaoxin n°248: LOLLLLLLBig smile

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Yang Xiaoxin is a darn good player, she won Czech Open - she is well inside top 100.
Will drop to #248?  that's a big drop.

Can not find Yang Xiaoxin's December, 2017 ranking.
ITTF database has problems.



And...Paulina Vega from Chili is n° 57 :))) This world is going mad.....
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