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jonyer1980 
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 Posted: 11/12/2018 at 6:23pm |
I know this but the difference is huge. Nittaku premium has also a lower bounce like cell but it's more pleasant&funnier to play. |
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Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
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benfb
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Posted: 11/12/2018 at 6:34pm |
I'm not sure why you would want to pick on ABS balls specifically. I hate all the plastic balls, which are much easier to block. I see so many 1100 rated players now who put out their paddles and return even quality loops on the table, just because the balls slow down quicker and spin less with plastic. Even if I liked plastic balls, I find it frustrating that they all behave so differently. You mentioned the high bounce of XSF balls. I practice my serves to bounce just over the net, but XSF balls bounce higher than, say Nittaku or DHS D40+ balls. So I have to train for different balls, depending upon what tournament is coming up. Last week I played with Nittaku balls because that was what they were using in a tournament last weekend. In a week, I'll be at the NA Teams, so now I need to start training with Joola Prime, which behave differently. Sadly, all this complaining means nothing. ITTF really doesn't care and we're stuck with a mess.
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qpskfec
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Posted: 11/12/2018 at 7:37pm |
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I hit regularly with an ex international level player. We generally use NP40+ or DHS D40+. He is over 60 and still spins the crap out of the ABS ball.
His loops and chiquita flick are regularly blocked well off the table by 2K+ players in real game situations. His stroke quality is simply too powerful in speed and spin. If 1100 players are blocking "quality" loops, then the bar for quality is low. |
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benfb
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Posted: 11/13/2018 at 1:12am |
I wasn't talking about professional loops, which are at a whole different level. Although with plastic balls, it's hard to see why a 2000+ player can't block a pro loop in drills (it's different in game play). My point was that with celluloid, an 1100 player couldn't even block a decent 1700 level loop, much less 2000 level, much less 2200+. With plastic, I regularly see 1100-1300 players at tournaments blocking 1800 loops.
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jonyer1980
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Posted: 11/13/2018 at 2:00am |
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Same thing happens here. We play national league and events and depending on the event or the local club we have to adapt to every different ball which is a hassle.
Apart from the main 4 different kind of balls (Butterfly, Seamless,Nittaku or ABS) there's also variations coz the same brands something used several different approved ball which makes things even more twisted. There's Butterfly plastic ball 1st gen, but also "G" or "A" series. Nittaku Ball but there's the made in China version or the Japanese premium which is different. Seamed old 1st gen plastic ball which was DHS and an few Euro brands ... Seamless ball like XSF which is also relabelled by many brands. ABS like D40 isn now being relabelled by many other brands that co-exist with their seamless version under the same brand name. It's not enough to know the name of the brand but also to specify which model of the ball: And the worst thing: most of people don't know what are we talking about 
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Nittaku Fastarc G1-FH Stiga DNA Pro-S MAX BH Avoid any Butterfly stuff... at abusive prices. Raw power without control means nothing |
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Hozuki
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Posted: 11/13/2018 at 3:29am |
Finally someone who gets it. The problem is the ball loses all its spin on the table surface, except sidespin. My advice: Try to find tables that have a very non-grippy surface. And beware of new grippy tables. I had a league game with 2 weeks old Tibhar tables and new Gewo Abs balls, and everyone's level degraded by 200 points immediately.
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