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    Posted: 01/09/2018 at 8:47pm
We are a senior citizen mobile home park and are setting up a ping pong tournament. We have it set up in Beginner, Intermediate and Advanced. The Advanced section has 6 players and we can't figure out how we would do it with 6 players. We know how to do it with 4, 8, etc. How can we set it up and come out with it being fair (i.e. all the players play the same amount of time)? This will probably my only question.
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Everyone plays each other (round robin).
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What if two or 3 people have the same score?
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Is this a good template for the 6 player ping pong tournament?

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/700732023240723308/

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If you do not have the time or tables for all the matches in a 6 person round robin you can split it up.  2 groups of 3.  Each player plays 2 matches in their RR group.  The winners of each group then have a match to determine overall winner.

For reference 6 man RR has 15 matches that need to be played.

For the split RR groups you play 6 RR matches (3 per group) + 1 finals match = 7 total matches

If you go with split RR groups it would be good to put the two best players in separate groups if you clearly know who they are or have ratings to go by.

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That is a good round robin plan for 6 players.
 
Be sure you record the scores in each match because that is how you calculate tie-breakers in case two or more players have the same won lost record.

If 2 players tie, then the winner of the match between them is the overall winner.

If 3 or more players tie you take all the matches the tied players played with each other.  Then calculate the games won % (games won/(games won+games lost)) for each player.  Highest percentage wins.

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Originally posted by mjamja mjamja wrote:

If you do not have the time or tables for all the matches in a 6 person round robin you can split it up.  2 groups of 3.  Each player plays 2 matches in their RR group.  The winners of each group then have a match to determine overall winner.

For reference 6 man RR has 15 matches that need to be played.

For the split RR groups you play 6 RR matches (3 per group) + 1 finals match = 7 total matches

If you go with split RR groups it would be good to put the two best players in separate groups if you clearly know who they are or have ratings to go by.

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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Originally posted by mjamja mjamja wrote:

If you do not have the time or tables for all the matches in a 6 person round robin you can split it up.  2 groups of 3.  Each player plays 2 matches in their RR group.  The winners of each group then have a match to determine overall winner.

For reference 6 man RR has 15 matches that need to be played.

For the split RR groups you play 6 RR matches (3 per group) + 1 finals match = 7 total matches

If you go with split RR groups it would be good to put the two best players in separate groups if you clearly know who they are or have ratings to go by.

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Originally posted by mjamja mjamja wrote:

If you go with split RR groups it would be good to put the two best players in separate groups if you clearly know who they are or have ratings to go by.

If you are not sure who your 2 best players are, you could advance 2 from each RR group.

Your semi matches would be Group A 1st vs Group B 2nd and Group A 2nd vs Group B 1st.
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Originally posted by alphapong alphapong wrote:

Originally posted by mjamja mjamja wrote:

If you go with split RR groups it would be good to put the two best players in separate groups if you clearly know who they are or have ratings to go by.

If you are not sure who your 2 best players are, you could advance 2 from each RR group.

Your semi matches would be Group A 1st vs Group B 2nd and Group A 2nd vs Group B 1st.

Oh you copied that from vince64 lol j/k
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Originally posted by alphapong alphapong wrote:

Originally posted by mjamja mjamja wrote:

If you go with split RR groups it would be good to put the two best players in separate groups if you clearly know who they are or have ratings to go by.

If you are not sure who your 2 best players are, you could advance 2 from each RR group.

Your semi matches would be Group A 1st vs Group B 2nd and Group A 2nd vs Group B 1st.
Yes, this is the right thing, always 2 players of each group must qualify. And always groups of 3 players maximum, no matter the amount of players.
Example: if there are 8 players, there should be 2 groups of 3 players and 1 group of 2 players (both players automatically qualify but they must play to determine who will be 1st of the group).
And then eliminatory draw will be like:

1A
BYE
2B
2C

2A
1C
BYE
1B

I have draw system for 2 until 16 groups. 
With 2 groups players go directly into semifinals after RR.
With 3 and 4 groups players go to quarterfinals.
From 5 to 8 groups they go to Round of 16.
And from 9 to 16 groups they go to Round of 32.
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Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

Everyone plays each other (round robin).
This is the worst system possible. Takes too much time.
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Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

Everyone plays each other (round robin).

This is the worst system possible. Takes too much time.


Pardon me, it us the best system ever. It allows players to get the most matches AND takes this most time. This is a table tennis board, Mr. Newbie.
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Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

Originally posted by TT newbie TT newbie wrote:

Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

Everyone plays each other (round robin).

This is the worst system possible. Takes too much time.


Pardon me, it us the best system ever. It allows players to get the most matches AND takes this most time. This is a table tennis board, Mr. Newbie.
I see you never organized a full tournament in one day with multiples categories and having only 1 table available for a 6 players group.
Here where I organize it, tournament usually starts around 10 a.m. and there´s a break for lunch. If I put 6 players to play each other in one table, around 3 p.m. everybody is blaming me for it taking so long.
But if you have multiples tables available it´s not bad at all, I´d say it´s even more fair.
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