larger head = more control

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Chairman Meow Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Super Member Joined: 10/04/2016 Location: Hell, Michigan Status: Offline Points: 290	Post Options Post Reply Quote Chairman Meow Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: larger head = more control Posted: 01/10/2018 at 3:10pm
	I'd agree with the reasoning, but I doubt the difference is noticeable. I think the mass added by the extra material would have a more noticeable effect, and would mask this. You could argue similarly for a smaller cut vs. larger cut rubber, or a rubber with chips on the edges. The impact would travel differently, but it is negligible for most people. Edited by Chairman Meow - 01/10/2018 at 3:11pm
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aeoliah Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Premier Member Joined: 11/18/2005 Location: Indonesia Status: Offline Points: 3215	Post Options Post Reply Quote aeoliah Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/10/2018 at 9:46pm
	My experience : I have Roots 5 size 150x155mm and Roots 5 size 148 x 153. The bigger blade has more vibration which can be felt when blocking at the periphery of the blade. The smaller blade has more speed.
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cole_ely Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Premier Member Joined: 03/16/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6898	Post Options Post Reply Quote cole_ely Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/10/2018 at 9:48pm
	The larger head will produce a lower tone. This at least gives a feel of control. When I've actually felt examples of two blades the same except for head size, if you can block out the sound I think they play pretty similarly. That's my thought anyway
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hungry cow Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Super Member Joined: 02/07/2009 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 297	Post Options Post Reply Quote hungry cow Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/10/2018 at 11:37pm
	When I played exclusively hardbat this effect was very noticable as you really notice the blade since you have no sponged rubber adding an effect and you feel the blade directly. I am friends with Don Varian who owns all the Hock stock and now sells them and got to try all different variations and with the same blade composition and the bigger and more oversized the head it would be slower, have more flex, and more spin and control for topspin or chopping. A more compact blade of the same exact wood would have less flex, less spin, less feeling of control, but more speed. It would be the same theory in a sponge blade but not as noticable as a portion of the setups affect and speed comes from the sponge. In a sponge blade there will be a bigger difference in weight and bat head speed as you have to multiply the extra weight of the bigger head with the extra size of 2 sides of rubber.
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slevin Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Premier Member Joined: 03/15/2012 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 3602	Post Options Post Reply Quote slevin Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/10/2018 at 11:47pm
	IMHO, it depends on what you mean by control - speed on flat hits & better directionality on one hand (smaller circumference blades) and speed on tangential hits and slightly more feeling on the other (bigger circumference blades) I've tried IF ZLC vs IF Layer ZLC. I've also tried old HL5 vs new HL5 (in both cases, the 1st blade is larger and 2nd blade has identical composition but has smaller blade circumference). Larger circumference blade shall be slower only on flat hits. It shall have a bit more feeling but also more flex. It shall be slightly faster on tangential hits (loops). It shall be more non-linear. To me, that flex implies worse control but slightly more spin potential. I think most innerforce type composite blades should not be too large - the innerforce structure helps in creating enough flex (relative to the composites in which the fiber is next to the outermost wood layer). Interestingly, I've never tried a large circumference blade of this 2nd type (ie: of Viscaria or MJ type). I'm not even sure if there are such blades out there (but would love to try them out).
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mon22 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Gold Member Joined: 03/05/2010 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1174	Post Options Post Reply Quote mon22 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/11/2018 at 2:04am
	Had a Timo Boll ZLF Shaved the head size down to a more compact blade Blade became way faster with less dwell time (zlf has too much dwell with softer rubbers)
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Lightzy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Super Member Joined: 09/18/2017 Location: T-A Status: Offline Points: 345	Post Options Post Reply Quote Lightzy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/11/2018 at 6:06pm
	I agree with Slevins thoughts about the Innerforce construction (I also think with ALC it would have been a lot better with a smaller head size, which is exactly what DHS did with ML5). But here are more things to play around with. The DHS 301, where the outer ply of hard Koto wood gives you back the control and is a very pleasant blade to hit with. And a ZLF innerforce type blade is very, very, very different to an ALC innerforce type blade. The Liu Shiwen ZLF and the DHS301 feel to me like polar opposites..

Baal Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 01/21/2010 Location: unknown Status: Offline Points: 14336	Post Options Post Reply Quote Baal Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/11/2018 at 7:37pm
	Fatt's supposition is true. Years ago I tested tbe idea by trimming a blade head smaller. You lose a bit of low freqiency flex and the blade feels faster even though is is lighter. It definitely felt like there was less margin for error. Joola and Xiom at various times experimented with egg shaped heads to see if that helped. Tibhar had a more extreme head shape used by Damien Eloi a long time ago. Soulspin offers all their blades in three head sizes and they discuss tbe effect on tbeir site.

Baal Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Moderator Joined: 01/21/2010 Location: unknown Status: Offline Points: 14336	Post Options Post Reply Quote Baal Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 01/11/2018 at 7:45pm
	Everything else being equal, smaller blade makes it stiffer. Thicker is also stiffer. There is an optimum for each.

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