Which Long Pips Rubber ?

Did any one try Sauer Tröger Hellfire?  Is it on par with D-Grass, or GD?

Pushblocker wrote: As I said before, Pogo is not a rubber with a huge disturbing effect.. No reversal to speak off.. In my opinion, Pogo is a good rubber to LEARN to play with long pips to get the right technique to keep the ball low and to return serves etc. Once the technique is solid, it is a good idea to go to rubbers like Talon or DTecs as they produce a lot of reversal and bother opponents but are much harder to use than Pogo. I have Pogo on my racket that I use against spinless players as Pogo gives me great control against no spin shots. It is not as good at blocking like DtecS or Talon but on a slow blade, I have never had issues blocking with it.. Block is usually dead and good technique is required to keep the blocks low.. Again, this is not in any way a disrupting rubber, just a high control long pips for all types of shots.. You can hit with pogo, you can block and push with it etc...

Veet wrote: Hi Egghead, Thanks for the videos... I did try the side-swipe technique, and managed to hit them a couple of times... Don't know whether they were flukes or whether it was the technique...  Yesterday, I got totally CREAMED by 2 players, who play at my level... Now, I don't find it difficult to keep the ball in play.. Now, the real challenge is to put EFFECTIVE balls... I noticed, that both the above players, gave me light-to-heavy loops/top-spins. .  Even when I did manage to return (which was not too often), my returns seemed to be empty. The players had little or no trouble, no matter, how I returned...Both players, pushed very little.. I even twiddled to generate spin, but it did not work ..One player, actually commented that now he found it easier to play against me (using LPs), as compared to when I was using inverted... Which is true, cause, with the inverted, I would typically win 5 out of 7 games against him. One thing I've realised about my game is, ever since I've started using LPs, I have started backing away from the table, and TRYING to chop the ball, especially against loops/top-spins, and fast, long serves... However, I'm pretty sure, I don't chop with an open-face blade, and vertical action. So, although the balls lands on the other side, I'm not sure with what effectiveness.. Another thing - Now with the LPs on the BH, I'm not playing as much on my FH... Even with balls played plumb to the FH, I now tend to crab, and play on my BH... Blocking/returning top-spins EFFECTIVELY, is a major pain-point. Most of the blocks shot-off long, if I block with an open-face (thinking that I would get reversal), or land into the net, if I keep the face shut, even a bit. I'm now winning consistently against players below my level. However, most players at my level or above, now (me with LP) find it easier than ever to thrash me.

benfb wrote: Any chance you could post some videos of you playing?  It's hard to tell much from just he verbal description.

Hi Egghead,

Veet wrote: Pushblocker wrote: What blade are you using?? The blade has a lot to do with the trajectory on your blocks. When blocking at or behind the table against a powerful loop, you may need to close the angle a little bit while if you block the rising ball off the bounce, you should be able to block at 90 degrees. I have used medium fast balsa blades for many years now as I did not like the trajectory with other types of wood cores. The blades speed is also critical for trajectory.. Slower blades tend to have higher trajectory while faster blades have lower trajectory. Try to get video footage of your practice sessions and I will be able to provide some input on what is the cause of the issues.. I have a Donic Defplay Senso 3

Pushblocker wrote: What blade are you using?? The blade has a lot to do with the trajectory on your blocks. When blocking at or behind the table against a powerful loop, you may need to close the angle a little bit while if you block the rising ball off the bounce, you should be able to block at 90 degrees. I have used medium fast balsa blades for many years now as I did not like the trajectory with other types of wood cores. The blades speed is also critical for trajectory.. Slower blades tend to have higher trajectory while faster blades have lower trajectory. Try to get video footage of your practice sessions and I will be able to provide some input on what is the cause of the issues..

You just need to watch videos of long pips techniques, then imitate them.

Lots of those links in one place at North Little Rock Table Tennis Group timeline page on Facebook.

do you peel off old glue? If you don't, glue buildup can change ball feeling and playing characteristics slightly.

Egghead wrote: Before we all rush to taobao and order the light-cured LPs, I need to clear some misunderstanding. (1) If you have no LPs skills, it will not work. You still need to have basic LPs skills. (To Skip3119: if you have trouble playing with lp, it may not help you). (2) It will NOT do the frictionless LPs shxt. (3) the light-cured LPs are not frictionless, just little less sensitive to spin than the regular lps. (4) the returns of light-cured LPs have stronger spin reversal and a lower ball path, but not at the frictionless lps level.  (5) this LPs can help you win few pts. However, if you opp knows all LPs shxt and is way better than you, you will still lose the match.

I want to address this a bit more.

First, my experience is with a particular player and his particular sheet of the light-cured LP.  A different player using a different sheet may have different results.

Second, I am reasonably comfortable playing against LP, and have a plus record against them up to 300 points above my rating.  My LP clubmate is someone whom I beat 100% of the time previously, and now struggle with, and the only change was these pips.

However, I understand that representing just my own experience may not impress anyone (it certainly doesn't impress me!).  So let me tell you another story.

We have another guy, player V, who is currently around 2100.  That rating reflects the fact that he's gotten older and slower, and only plays a few times a month.  Fifteen years ago, he was around 2350-2400, so he is very strong and very knowledgeable.  Player V played a match last week with our light-cured LP guy and Player V did win the match.  However, the match score was 3-1; he lost a game. 

That's not a small upset.  Previously, I think you could have asked Player V to give the LP player 6 or 7 points in handicap and still win every game.  I'm sure Player V will have some new tactics the next time those two play, so we shouldn't see any more upsets.  Still, the mere idea that it could occur even once would normally be completely impossible. 

Matt Pimple wrote: Egghead wrote: All the light-cured LPs that I played have ITTF stamp.   But they are still illegal.

which giant dragon long pimples would be most similar to palio ck531a? want 0.5 or 0.6mm sponge?

Egghead wrote: All the light-cured LPs that I played have ITTF stamp.

But they are still illegal.

LUCKYLOOP wrote: benfb wrote: In the particular case of my clubmate, I would definitely say that he gained 100-200 points just from this rubber.  He has average skills for LP, but nothing special.  However, with this treated rubber the balls that come off of that rubber are much, much harder to handle.  Before it was easy to beat him and now it's a struggle.  In fact, I've never before seen someone's success go up so much just from changing rubber. The rubber is clearly illegal, since it's been treated. I also tried looking for the ITTF stamp either on the rubber or the packaging and couldn't find it. So, the treated rubber is frictionless, harder or softer pips, what appears to be the change ?

Skip - Usually you will pay the agent for the shipping from agent to you and commission fee.  Don't worry about the commission fee, as when you buy from eBay or Ali express, you pay for commission fee as well, but it's hidden in the total, because the seller pay for it, so the price is generally higher than from Taobao.  The only con buying from Taobao is paying for extra shipping, and a longer wait time due to shipping twice.