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skip3119
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================= at least 100~200 pts sound is about right. ----------------------------- Sounds attractive to me. Link to buy it?
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Egghead
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Did you buy items from taobao before? It is a little troublesome same seller
Edited by Egghead - 03/28/2018 at 5:40pm |
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skip3119
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Egghead is smart. He knew I would run into problems.
Took me quite a while just to register. Even when I am a Chinese (know only traditional Chinese, not simplified Chinese), I am unsuccessful to do check out. It never takes me to enter my credit card #. Failed, I am unable to order it. (I wanted to buy two sheets, but failed at check out.) *** 2 sheets, include shipping is 100 yuan (about 15 USD, or $15.) Not expensive, *** but failed during check-out. Will try again some time. Spent 2 hours on this already. I think. Edited by skip3119 - 03/28/2018 at 6:43pm |
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Egghead
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At first, you need to open an Alipay account (a.k.a china paypal, 支付寶), then you can pay your lp rubbers with Alipay at taobao. While you are ordering your LP rubbers, you will need to arrange the consolidated shipping forwarding service provider (海外集運, you can use the taobao's provider) as well。It is not wise to order only 2 lp sheets. It is because the shipping cost for the 1st kg to NA. is ~25 usd. read the following :)
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skip3119
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I may just forget about it, too much trouble to order this rubber.
eBay does not have this "light curing 388D-1" rubber.
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mhnh007
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To buy from taobao you need an agent. Do a search on YouTube to find out how. It maybe best to buy a big patch and share with forum members.
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Egghead
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You did not need an agent now. Taobao has Taobao global consolidated shipping (Taobao direct ???) HOW TO BUY FROM TAOBAO
Edited by Egghead - 03/28/2018 at 7:49pm |
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skip3119
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==================== mhnh007: Thanks. You have helped. Agent: https://www.86daigou.com/ Ordered 5 sheets. Cost: $32.26 ($6.45 per sheet. not expensive at all.) Paid with Paypal. Unsure if there is any additional charge later, from the Agent. Unsure if Agent will mail the rubber to me as soon as they receive it. (I don't have any other order for the Agent to consolidate them for shipping.) Or I have to contact the Agent and ask them to send it to me. Anyway, the order was placed around 7:45 PM on 3-28-2018. When I will be able to receive the rubber? I don't know. Rubber ordered: Edited by skip3119 - 03/28/2018 at 8:16pm |
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nachalnik
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Guys, if you receive this stuff, can I buy one from you? Thanks
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pgpg
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I'm kind of puzzled by the enthusiasm for this specific LP - if you have no problem playing with 'treated' (*cough* illegal *cough*) rubber in competition, why don't you save 6-7$ and simply stick one of your current LPs under UV lamp and call it a day?
Same thing, really, you'll be enjoying your newly found 100-200 rating points soon enough. |
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skip3119
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I have only ordered 5 sheets, I intend to keep them all.
=========== pgpg's comment: Why don't you save 6-7$ and simply stick one of your current LPs under UV lamp and call it a day? (My answer: Excellent comment.) ---------------------- Same thing, really, you'll be enjoying your newly found 100-200 rating points soon enough. (My answer: Don't think I will gain 100-200 rating points. Just want to try something new.) (It is not the rubber, it is the skill that matters.) Edited by skip3119 - 03/28/2018 at 9:01pm |
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Egghead
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First of all, UV lamp costs $20. The "UV lamp-ed" and "other method treated" LPs will last only one month or so. The light-cured lps last as long as the reg lps
Edited by Egghead - 03/29/2018 at 6:08pm |
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benfb
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In the particular case of my clubmate, I would definitely say that he gained 100-200 points just from this rubber. He has average skills for LP, but nothing special. However, with this treated rubber the balls that come off of that rubber are much, much harder to handle. Before it was easy to beat him and now it's a struggle. In fact, I've never before seen someone's success go up so much just from changing rubber. The rubber is clearly illegal, since it's been treated. I also tried looking for the ITTF stamp either on the rubber or the packaging and couldn't find it.
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LUCKYLOOP
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So, it is okay to boost inverted rubbers, but this curing for long pips is not acceptable ? |
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I didn't say boosting was OK, as it is also clearly illegal (if difficult to enforce). However, I've never seen any boosted rubber make as big of a different in performance as this treated LP rubber.
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So, the treated rubber is frictionless, harder or softer pips, what appears to be the change ? |
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skip3119
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Egghead:
Do you think this light-cured 388D-1 plays better than regular 388D-1? (benfb swear by it.) =========== I paid $34.23 for 5 sheets ($6.85 per sheet), the money (via Paypal) was sent to the Agent. The Agent would then buy the rubber and ship to me. The final cost is unknown, because I don't know how much the Agent will charge me for his service. (I was unsuccessful to buy directly from Taobao, it never took me to the check-out, tried for 2 hours.) |
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mhnh007
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Skip - Usually you will pay the agent for the shipping from agent to you and commission fee. Don't worry about the commission fee, as when you buy from eBay or Ali express, you pay for commission fee as well, but it's hidden in the total, because the seller pay for it, so the price is generally higher than from Taobao. The only con buying from Taobao is paying for extra shipping, and a longer wait time due to shipping twice.
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Egghead
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Before we all rush to taobao and order the light-cured LPs, I need to clear some misunderstanding.
(1) If you have no LPs skills, it will not work. You still need to have basic LPs skills. (To Skip3119: if you have trouble playing with lp, it may not help you). (2) It will NOT do the frictionless LPs shxt. (3) the light-cured LPs are not frictionless, just little less sensitive to spin than the regular lps. (4) the returns of light-cured LPs have stronger spin reversal and a lower ball path, but not at the frictionless lps level. (5) this LPs can help you win few pts. However, if you opp knows all LPs shxt and is way better than you, you will still lose the match.
Edited by Egghead - 03/29/2018 at 6:05pm |
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Egghead
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All the light-cured LPs that I played have ITTF stamp. It is hard to tell you what changed (beside some older light-cured version LPs are shinner), you need to play with it so that you understand it. |
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skip3119
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If my opponent is below 1700, I generally win.
If my opponent is above 1800, I generally lose. Anything in-between, the match can go either way. ============ The top player in our club uses the same rubber as I do (Dawei 388D-1) and a visiting player from California, Jeff Xiao uses a cheap LP rubber, Palio CK531A -- both of them beat 2100 level players easily. So, the skill counts more than rubber. I used to hear that west coast players are generally 100 to 200 points higher than east coast players - I thought that's BS. But after Jeff Xiao visited our club, I think what I heard does have some truth to it.
Edited by skip3119 - 03/29/2018 at 1:55pm |
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Matt Pimple
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But they are still illegal. |
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benfb
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Regardless of what someone else posted, they appear to me to be very close to frictionless. Blocks come back strongly reverse and players with mediocre chopping technique can produce strong chops. It occurs to me that since these are treated rubbers, they may not all play the same. Each sheet might be more or less frictionless. I imagine there will be quite a bit of variation.
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mog1111
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which giant dragon long pimples would be most similar to palio ck531a? want 0.5 or 0.6mm sponge?
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Egghead
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Why pay $15usd per sheet when you can pay $5 per sheet?
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Egghead
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I understand where you come from. However, the light-cured LPs are not frictionless, and the pips sizes are within the rules. It is so hard to check it. Edited by Egghead - 03/29/2018 at 6:34pm |
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benfb
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Any rubber which is treated and therefore differs from the version submitted to ITTF for approval is not legal. It's not just a matter of whether they are frictionless (and I would consider them very close, at least the sample I played against), it's being modified which makes them illegal. The same applies to using boosters, but the effect is much more dramatic here. |
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I want to address this a bit more. First, my experience is with a particular player and his particular sheet of the light-cured LP. A different player using a different sheet may have different results. Second, I am reasonably comfortable playing against LP, and have a plus record against them up to 300 points above my rating. My LP clubmate is someone whom I beat 100% of the time previously, and now struggle with, and the only change was these pips. However, I understand that representing just my own experience may not impress anyone (it certainly doesn't impress me!). So let me tell you another story. We have another guy, player V, who is currently around 2100. That rating reflects the fact that he's gotten older and slower, and only plays a few times a month. Fifteen years ago, he was around 2350-2400, so he is very strong and very knowledgeable. Player V played a match last week with our light-cured LP guy and Player V did win the match. However, the match score was 3-1; he lost a game. That's not a small upset. Previously, I think you could have asked Player V to give the LP player 6 or 7 points in handicap and still win every game. I'm sure Player V will have some new tactics the next time those two play, so we shouldn't see any more upsets. Still, the mere idea that it could occur even once would normally be completely impossible. |
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