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I will be really surprised if this rubber has the same bite as g-1/baracuda, the only new Gen tensor I played is the R47 which wasnt anywhere as spinny as g-1/baracuda
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Originally posted by rocketman222 rocketman222 wrote:

I will be really surprised if this rubber has the same bite as g-1/baracuda, the only new Gen tensor I played is the R47 which wasnt anywhere as spinny as g-1/baracuda

I don't think it does, but I think the sponge and the overall feel have the makings of something special.  I think the T64/T80 crowd will like it.  I am looking for something more like T80/T05 and it needs something to be harder for that to work.
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I don't know... Tried Rhyzer 48, had baracuda, all good rubbers, but nothing grabs it like Hexer (tensor rubbers, not talking about Chinese rubbers' grab)

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The Rhyzer 48 matches very well with a light (ie: not too fast) Viscaria-type (including TB-ALC,  ZJK-ALC) blade.
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Originally posted by dual700 dual700 wrote:

I don't know... Tried Rhyzer 48, had baracuda, all good rubbers, but nothing grabs it like Hexer (tensor rubbers, not talking about Chinese rubbers' grab)

Omega V Asia definitely.
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The rhyzer usually produces spin with a combination of the sponge compression while baracuda is more on brushing the ball. On stronger shots, the rhyzer is spinnier than baracuda but for slow loops, baracuda is spinnier.
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After more testing, the Rhyzer48 is most likely too fast for my ability. While I produce some incredible hero shots, the rubber does accentuate ones misses in match situations, especially against spin heavy opponents.
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I still love my Rhyzer 48. Massive speed glue feeling fades away within a month but it´s still is a very nice rubber after that. Only downside that I have noticed is that topsheet wears out faster than R47. On the otherhand Rhyzer gives me confident to drive with full power (due to sg feeling) so it might be that I use harder shots with Rhyzer and that naturally wears the topsheet quite a lot.
What is the point of playing safe shots when you can miss with style

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Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

After more testing, the Rhyzer48 is most likely too fast for my ability. While I produce some incredible hero shots, the rubber does accentuate ones misses in match situations, especially against spin heavy opponents.
party with rhyzer, marry r47? 
are you thinking about rhyzer 48 2.0 or rhyzer 43 max maybe?
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Originally posted by h0n1g h0n1g wrote:

After more testing, the Rhyzer48 is most likely too fast for my ability. While I produce some incredible hero shots, the rubber does accentuate ones misses in match situations, especially against spin heavy opponents.

I have played with it less than you have (a training session and 7-8 matches). My benchmark in ESN tensors is MX-P (as I've played with it a lot) and I've recently migrated from H3N / T05.

So far (and again, it is early), I prefer R48 to MX-P in topspin vs topspin and (especially) loop vs underspin. A bit easier to generate spin with and, perhaps, a bit more spin is generated. I also like the fact that R48 sponge feels a bit harder than MX-P sponge.

I prefer MX-P in smashes and direct play (stiffer, thicker topsheet helps in both cases).

So, overall spin level (IMHO): Rhyzer 48 = Bluestorm Z1 >= MX-P > Aurus Prime > R47
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Thanks for all the reviews and experience sharing guys.

Does Rhyzer 48 degrade in performance and show shrinkage as fast as MX-P???

Also would like to know if Bluestorm Z1 has these issues or not?

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Another observation: I have less control in pushes / short game with the thin topsheet / thick sponge R48 (max) as opposed to with MX-P (max) or T05 (max). But that could just be due to lack of familiarity with this new rubber.
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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Another observation: I have less control in pushes / short game with the thin topsheet / thick sponge R48 (max) as opposed to with MX-P (max) or T05 (max). But that could just be due to lack of familiarity with this new rubber.


I agree. I have less control over short short and initial pushes, especially placement. This was most pronounced with the Andro R47 but still very present in the Joola R48
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The top sheets on these rubbers just don't grab the ball like mx-p, t05 etc, so we need to let the ball dig into the topsheet a bit more. Aurus prime to me feels the most like mx-p and t05 in this regard.
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Originally posted by nv42 nv42 wrote:

The top sheets on these rubbers just don't grab the ball like mx-p, t05 etc, so we need to let the ball dig into the topsheet a bit more. Aurus prime to me feels the most like mx-p and t05 in this regard.


Agree regarding Omega 7 Pro & R47 grip. Strongly disagree regarding Rhyzer 48 grip which is clearly superior to MX-P grip.

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I havnt tried the rhyzer and bluestorm yet, I was talking with reference to hype kr and thr rasanters. So you mean rhyzer topsheet is gripper than mx-ps? How abt bluestorm? And by grippy you mean it grabs the ball even at low impact speeds right?

A bit off topic here, but Im really loving aurus select on my bh, though I even liked it when I tried it on my FH, sure it's slow and feels kinda soft, but it gives you pretty good confidence to juat close your bat angle fully and loop drive even balls below net level witout having to worry abt it not grabbing the ball. Also curious if any of the other new gen rubbers have a transparenty and slightly tacky topsheet like the select. And wish there was a harder sponged version of the select.
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OK. Finally got a chance to try Rhyzer 48 and Bluestorm Z1 on the same model blade (with same weight):

In contrary to my prior opinion, their topsheet is quite different from each other - Relative to that of Z1, Rhyzer 48 topsheet is quite soft (almost like how Bluestorm Z2 is) and the overall feel of Rhyzer 48 is softer because of it.

My recommendations:
  1. If playing with koto outer blade, use Rhyzer 48 and not Bluestorm Z1. Rhyzer 48 feels very spinny on that blade but Bluestorm Z1 might feel a bit too hard
  2. If playing with limba outer blade, Bluestorm Z1 works very well - as you get monster spin from arm-pull / brush - a stroke that does not work well on koto
  3. Rhyzer is faster and has thicker sponge
  4. Rhyzer has more spin & better grip on slow strokes


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@Slevin. Do they smell the same?
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I have played with 1 black Rhyzer 48 and two red ones. To me it feels that the topsheet of a black Rhyzer feels much firmer than red ones. Due to really soft red topsheet it’s hard to counter drive of the bounce with red sheet. Red one is also more difficult to smash with. Slow spinny loops are easier to excecute with red one. We have to keep in mind that I have only tested 3 sheets so my opinion is not absolute truth. Any way quality difference of these 3 sheets is so big that I won’t stick with it any longer.

Edited by Tommy16 - 04/09/2018 at 11:13am
What is the point of playing safe shots when you can miss with style

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Pity to hear that cause the rubber isn't a cheap one
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I compared both Z1 and Rhyzer 48 (R48) with MX-P (all max, all on the same model ALC blade) - practice & match play.

  • Short game: R48 > Z1 > MX-P
  • Spin on slow balls: R48 > Z1 = MX-P
  • Dwell: R48 > Z1 = MX-P
  • Loop against underspin: R48 > Z1 > MX-P
  • Power in fast exchanges (mid-distance): MX-P > Z1 > R48
  • Blocking and Punching: MX-P > Z1 > R48
  • Topspin - topspin exchanges (mid-distance): MX-P > Z1 > R48
There are reviews that state that R48 is the fastest. While they are not necessarily incorrect, it is important to know the context. On strokes that don't deform / go through its thin topsheet a lot, it is the most powerful. However, on stronger strokes than that, you get a power loss with thin topsheets. That is why MX-P performs better in those strokes.

However, in grip as well as in spin on soft strokes, R48 is superior.


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That's a good comparison, I think you should add that at slower racket speed MX-P provides more and easy access to speed/spin
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Originally posted by rocketman222 rocketman222 wrote:

That's a good comparison, I think you should add that at slower racket speed MX-P provides more and easy access to speed/spin


No it does not, IMHO. That is the gist of my comparison: Rhyzer 48 wins in spin / speed on low impact loops, opening loops & offers more control in short game. MX-P wins in power loops, punches and smashes (high impact strokes).
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From what iv read so far I'm assuming that rhyzer48 has a low throw combined with a long trajectory right in comparison to mx-p's medium throw and medium trajectory while t05 has a high throw and a tight (short) trajectory.
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The rhyzer has power beyond that of the mxp even at stronger shots. Even at far distance the topspin with the rhyzer 48 can still go off the table more with a longer trajectory than the mxp. People think the mxp is stronger but this is rather because the mxp has better control compared to the rhyzer 48 in that they can apply more force without getting too much error as compared to the rhyzer 48.
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Edited by Kolev - 04/13/2018 at 6:46pm
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Originally posted by Kolev Kolev wrote:

Yogi, with all due respect, Paul Drinkhall left me with quite the opposite impression in his review of Rhyzer 48 in TTD. I might have misunderstood though. It's just an impression


With all due respect: why would Tibhar sponsored Drinkhall review a Joola rubber?
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Ooops, right. It was the Aurus Prime review. Shame on me
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I do not blame people who stay with mxp because IMHO thr mxp is still a very good rubber. Even though newer generation rubbers have come out, people are etill comfortable with mxp. The rhyzer and rubbers of the same generation like z1, victas v15, have greater potential for speed and spin but theybseem to have less control due to speed.
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

I do not blame people who stay with mxp because IMHO thr mxp is still a very good rubber. Even though newer generation rubbers have come out, people are etill comfortable with mxp. The rhyzer and rubbers of the same generation like z1, victas v15, have greater potential for speed and spin but theybseem to have less control due to speed.
I feel I can generate a lot more spin with MX-P vs Aurus Prime, but not sure about the others, surely it would be similar though? Something to do with the topsheet being thicker and firmer?
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