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Edited by zeio - 02/14/2018 at 3:42pm
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I will admit I don't follow the CNT as closely as many here. What is the status of LGL? For a while it looked like he had vanished completely.
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Thanks for the translation, Zeio. Completely agree with him, especially on Harimoto. It's going to be a good next few years :D
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Thank you so much Zeio for dubbing this, its really good to hear a real expert's views.
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Thanks a lot for the translation. When did this interview take place?
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Originally posted by Fabian1890 Fabian1890 wrote:

Thanks a lot for the translation. When did this interview take place?

The video was first uploaded on the 22nd, so roughly last week?
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Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

I will admit I don't follow the CNT as closely as many here. What is the status of LGL? For a while it looked like he had vanished completely.

Right, he's stayed low-key for the past half year since last June. At the turn of the year, he's picked up his pace again by appearing on a few TV variety shows.

He has officially been transferred(read demoted) to the CTTA, which is considered a civilian institution with no political power, as the 19th vice president.

On Jan 10th, 2018, in a reply to Li Wujun's blessing on LGL's birthday on Weibo, LGL wrote he had officially retired from coaching. On a related note, it's believed Qin Zhijian and Ma Lin are out of the CNT system now.

However, through his networking, he is still well-connected to the table tennis scenes.

Edited by zeio - 02/15/2018 at 5:29am
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

I will admit I don't follow the CNT as closely as many here. What is the status of LGL? For a while it looked like he had vanished completely.

Right, he's stayed low-key for the past half year since last June. At the turn of the year, he's picked up his pace again by appearing on a few TV variety shows.

He has officially been transferred(read demoted) to the CTTA, which is considered a civilian institution with no political power, as the 19th vice president.

On Jan 10th, 2018, in a reply to Li Wujun's blessing on LGL's birthday on Weibo, LGL wrote he had officially retired from coaching. On a related note, it's believed Qin Zhijian and Ma Lin are out of the CNT system now.


Kong Linghui appears gone too
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Yep, KLH is out for sure.
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So who is making player/team decisions now? 
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Hmmm, it's interesting that when LGL was talking about Harimoto, I did not pick up on him actually mentioning the name.  Was it just a response to the interviewer or is Harimoto called something else in Mandarin?
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Originally posted by BeaverMD BeaverMD wrote:

Hmmm, it's interesting that when LGL was talking about Harimoto, I did not pick up on him actually mentioning the name.  Was it just a response to the interviewer or is Harimoto called something else in Mandarin?

I think I heard LGL "cho" a couple of times in that section. Maybe that is how they refer to him.

Sorry, just could not resist the opening. Wink

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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by jfolsen jfolsen wrote:

I will admit I don't follow the CNT as closely as many here. What is the status of LGL? For a while it looked like he had vanished completely.

Right, he's stayed low-key for the past half year since last June. At the turn of the year, he's picked up his pace again by appearing on a few TV variety shows.

He has officially been transferred(read demoted) to the CTTA, which is considered a civilian institution with no political power, as the 19th vice president.

On Jan 10th, 2018, in a reply to Li Wujun's blessing on LGL's birthday on Weibo, LGL wrote he had officially retired from coaching. On a related note, it's believed Qin Zhijian and Ma Lin are out of the CNT system now.

However, through his networking, he is still well-connected to the table tennis scenes.

Oh nooo, wasn't Qin Zhijian the main coach for Ma Long :(
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Harimoto Tomokazu is a native chinese boy. And Harimoto's father is treated with most of the mainland Chinese as "malice fugitive and unworthy compatriot and colaborant to benefit to the foes".   Many of chinese athletes disfavour Harimoto's family.
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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

   Harimoto Tomokazu is a native chinese boy. And Harimoto's father is treated with most of the mainland Chinese as "malice fugitive and unworthy compatriot and colaborant to benefit to the foes".   Many of chinese athletes disfavour Harimoto's family.


malice fugitive and unworthy compatriot and colaborant to benefit to the foes

Somehow I find this phrase very funny
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Originally posted by BeaverMD BeaverMD wrote:

Hmmm, it's interesting that when LGL was talking about Harimoto, I did not pick up on him actually mentioning the name.  Was it just a response to the interviewer or is Harimoto called something else in Mandarin?

His Japanese name is 張本智和, for which the transliteration is Harimoto Tomokazu. When pronounced in Chinese, it's Zhangben Zhihe.
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Originally posted by pdotec pdotec wrote:

So who is making player/team decisions now? 

The positions of head coach for CNT(formerly LGL), head coach for CNT Men's team(formerly Qin Zhijian) and head coach for CNT Women's team(formerly KLH) are gone.

Wu Jingping is now the head of the coaching staff for the men's team. Members of the coaching staff include Liu Guozheng, Wang Hao et al. Wu Jingping was supposed to have retired after Rio, which he did, but was re-hired some time after that.

Li Jun is the head of the coaching group for the women's team. Members of the coaching staff include Xiao Zhan, Chen Bin et al.

Edited by zeio - 02/15/2018 at 6:43pm
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WTTTC might be a challenge to CNT when Timo Boll and Jun Mazutani will play. Not in this world cup team event (by the way, it seems that no one cares about it AT ALL).
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LGL was on a GA of sports event, together with Yao Ming and Lang Ping. It is assumed that this means he in now for real one of the 19 vice presidents. First time on an official event in six months?
He will also be in a tv-show with Ma Long, Ding Ning, Fan Zhendong, Lin Gaoyuan, Wang Manyu, Zhao Lei et al. Run - a new era, Carinval of sport. It should start some time today. He is wearing the CNT-uniform during the tv-show. However, I don't really think this means that he will have anything to do with the team. 

When it comes to Wu, I'm not really sure how much he is willing to travel?


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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

WTTTC might be a challenge to CNT when Timo Boll and Jun Mazutani will play. Not in this world cup team event (by the way, it seems that no one cares about it AT ALL).

It is probably rated as less important than the Olympics, the singles WTTC, team WTTC, singles World Cup, Asian and Euro champs, China Open and German Open and the Tour Grand Finals. So 10th most important tournament. 

And I don't think that the CNT are really too worried about Boll or Mizutani. Boll sadly doesn't have time on his side and I can't think of any good wins Mizutani had against top Chinese players apart from Xu Xin at the Olympics team event.

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Damned, Liu Guoliang looks 10 years older since he was banned. Must have been hard for him.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by BeaverMD BeaverMD wrote:

Hmmm, it's interesting that when LGL was talking about Harimoto, I did not pick up on him actually mentioning the name.  Was it just a response to the interviewer or is Harimoto called something else in Mandarin?

His Japanese name is 張本智和, for which the transliteration is Harimoto Tomokazu. When pronounced in Chinese, it's Zhangben Zhihe.

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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

Harimoto Tomokazu is a native chinese boy. And Harimoto's father is treated with most of the mainland Chinese as "malice fugitive and unworthy compatriot and colaborant to benefit to the foes".   Many of chinese athletes disfavour Harimoto's family.


He has grown up and developed his game in Japan and his parents moved there from China. 

They would not be so unhappy in China about it if the parents had moved almost anywhere else.  But Japan?????  In China that is a no-no.

As for LGL, over the long run of course he is right.  Nobody cares as much about TT as they do in China.  nobody has so many players and even remotely the same infrastructure.  And aside from Harimoto it isn't obvious that there are all that many players coming up from countries that used to challenge them. 


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"As for LGL, over the long run of course he is right.  Nobody cares as much about TT as they do in China.  nobody has so many players and even remotely the same infrastructure.  And aside from Harimoto it isn't obvious that there are all that many players coming up from countries that used to challenge them.  "

China not only has the mass number of players and can count on the infrastructure support from the government, there's also the vast number of coaches. I imagine the top coaches as some sort of brain trust where they keep an eye on any threat coming from the outside (good players).

Not many other countries do this. perhaps Germany, perhaps Hungary, IDK. Did Persson, Waldner, Appelgreen become head coaches? Maybe Persson is a coach, not sure, but Im talking as a group, teaching and developing the new generation of players?!? That's what's missing in the west. Unity.


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Originally posted by Fulanodetal Fulanodetal wrote:

"As for LGL, over the long run of course he is right.  Nobody cares as much about TT as they do in China.  nobody has so many players and even remotely the same infrastructure.  And aside from Harimoto it isn't obvious that there are all that many players coming up from countries that used to challenge them.  "

China not only has the mass number of players and can count on the infrastructure support from the government, there's also the vast number of coaches. I imagine the top coaches as some sort of brain trust where they keep an eye on any threat coming from the outside (good players).

Not many other countries do this. perhaps Germany, perhaps Hungary, IDK. Did Persson, Waldner, Appelgreen become head coaches? Maybe Persson is a coach, not sure, but Im talking as a group, teaching and developing the new generation of players?!? That's what's missing in the west. Unity.


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Yes.  When I wrote infrastructure I meant to include the system of coaching that extends to every little village and that finds every kid with talent and provides them a place to play and learn from people who know what they are doing; and also players that force them to get better no matter how good they get.

Other countries have some of this, but to nowhere near the same extent as China.  Sweden where I learned to play was infinitely better than the US for TT.  There was a club for kids near where we lived.  About three blocks.  Imagine that it was like China (it's not but imagine anyway); the entire population of Sweden is about the same as one of China's second-tier big cities (and not Beijing, Shanghai or Chongqing, among others, which each have metropolitan areas more than double the population of Sweden.

It has been quite a few years (8) since I was last in Stockholm but I found a club to play there.  The guys there were telling me that it was a bit demoralizing that the tournaments they played were all the same people they had been seeing since they were kids (all these guys were middle-aged and had obviously been very well-schooled as players) and there really didn't seem to be as many kids coming up.  There as here in the US, there are a lot of other things kids can do with their time now.
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Elaborating on the last post, when my family moved back to the US, I often had to drive 4-7 hours to find good tournaments with even reasonable players (I lived in a small college town in the midwest, but typically had to play tournaments in Chicago or Minneapolis).  Before long my parents were not very willing to do that but fortunately there were a few other responsible adults in my town who were willing to take me with them when they went to tournaments.  In Sweden we took a bus or the subway a few stops to play against the next club.
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THREE KINGS COMING UP.

No doubt,
1) FangZhedong
2) Harimoto
3) Dima
is the "superior triade" to dominate the sport in the next ten years, with many recurring clashes, winning each other with a varying success.

And those three players are far superior to any others, I bet my eye.      
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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

THREE KINGS COMING UP.

No doubt,
1) FangZhedong
2) Harimoto
3) Dima
is the "superior triade" to dominate the sport in the next ten years, with many recurring clashes, winning each other with a varying success.

And those three players are far superior to any others, I bet my eye.      

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Dima is going only one way in the next 2 years, and it ain't up.
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