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    Posted: 11/23/2018 at 2:54pm
Originally posted by apex600 apex600 wrote:

I have the robopong 2050 and was thinking to upgrade to the amicus prime. I just discovered the existance of the new robopong but these reviews were not really what i was hoping to read:

https://www.megaspin.net/store/default.asp?pid=newgy-robopong-3050xl

only thing that is keeping me from buying the amicus is actually that it is probably impossible to see the direction where the next ball will be shot because the head is not moving. in real game situation, you would also start moving towards the corrzct locstion when you see the movement of your opponent. can amicus users give me some feedback on that?


I have an amicus advantage that I bought after selling my 2050.  In my opinion  the 2050 is a much better robot.  I think the thing I dislike most about the amicus is that it's not designed to give serves.  There is not much I like about the amicus.  There isn't an on/off switch.  It has to be unplugged from the power supply.  The instruction book is very weak.  There are 3 head heights that can be used, but no information on what height is best for any shots.  Everything is trial by error.  If you set up certain shots you want to work on, you won't always get that shot.  The instruction book says they don't give you the same shot because you don't get the same shots in a match.  Sometimes the shot I get is more that a foot from what I programmed. 

I don't know about the other amicus robots, but the advantage is a bad robot.
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I have the robopong 2050 and was thinking to upgrade to the amicus prime. I just discovered the existance of the new robopong but these reviews were not really what i was hoping to read:

https://www.megaspin.net/store/default.asp?pid=newgy-robopong-3050xl

only thing that is keeping me from buying the amicus is actually that it is probably impossible to see the direction where the next ball will be shot because the head is not moving. in real game situation, you would also start moving towards the corrzct locstion when you see the movement of your opponent. can amicus users give me some feedback on that?
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Lol, that’s what I do. Use a spread sheet on my iPad and just go to that memory location.

By far the dumbest thing I’ve done with my new amicus is not throw enough balls in the catcher. I always used the one at the club and if you throw a couple of balls in the net a couple of balls come back out. Never thought about there being a stack on balls in the neck already. So I set up my new machine and threw 6 balls in to calibrate and no balls came out. I check the cables, the balls seemed to feed and couldn’t understand why they weren’t coming out. Thought it fed the balls all the way up. Wasn’t until I took the head off and ran it that I realized it was just pushing them from the bottom.

And to everyone, it does put a little side spin on wide balls. At first I use to add opposite spin on wide balls to counter it. But real life play, most wide shots do have side spin so now I just leave it.
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Originally posted by CroNone CroNone wrote:

The only thing that I don't like about the design of these bots is that the head can't slide the width of the table or come off the end of the table. It can't really simulate human training which involves multiball from the sides and simulate blocking from different positions. 

Do you know about TenniRobo http://youtu.be/vscnrkkSr94 ? It has a lot of functions and can be placed anywhere around the table, so it makes very realistic balls


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I think it is best that you ask the manufacturer - they should remedy this for you.
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I just got the Newgy 3050XL last week. The setup was easy and I was up and going soon. However, faced some issues. Would be great if other owners can comment.

1. Just right out of the box, when I turn it on, it produces a high frequency noise. Is this normal?
2. On the third day, when I tried to connect it through the app, it got stuck in the "Calibrating..." screen. It was clear that the phone bluetooth was able to connect to the device. But it was not proceeding any further. After trying for half an hour it finally worked.
3. On the third day, it is able to connect, but the ball doesn't shoot out. It falls down with very low force as if the motor that is supposed to push it is not working at all.

Has anyone faced this issue? Did I get a bad unit?
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Originally posted by CroNone CroNone wrote:

The only thing that I don't like about the design of these bots is that the head can't slide the width of the table or come off the end of the table. It can't really simulate human training which involves multiball from the sides and simulate blocking from different positions.


There is the Newstar 2080CR ...



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The only thing that I don't like about the design of these bots is that the head can't slide the width of the table or come off the end of the table. It can't really simulate human training which involves multiball from the sides and simulate blocking from different positions. I suppose if say you wanted to practice down the line you could move the Newgy to the corner but you have to drag the net along. The 1050 is much better suited to swap positions. If only the 1050 had multiple motors and the rotation head....

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Originally posted by wanchope wanchope wrote:

There's no issue on how fast the robot can switch from backspin to topspin.

If that's the case that's impressive, because it takes considerable power (current) to change the speed from high to low in a short time period, and that's what's required if you want to change from topspin to backspin. Perhaps the timing will be noticable if you change from maximum backspin to maximum topspin.

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Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

Thanks everyone!
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

I don't think that the head rotates.

I've seen a video on the Newgy website where the head rotates.

Regarding the precision that someone mentioned, I think the variation in balls has a lot to do with this, as no robot can be accurate with variations in balls. Balls used are only training balls, 3* may show some improvement.



Of course the head rotates. But that's for side spins.
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Thanks everyone!
Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

I don't think that the head rotates.

I've seen a video on the Newgy website where the head rotates.

Regarding the precision that someone mentioned, I think the variation in balls has a lot to do with this, as no robot can be accurate with variations in ball size and shape. Balls used are only training balls, 3* balls may show some improvement.
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after seeing few videos, I believe the robopong 3050xl shall have this feature to help practice serve, in fact, newgy has everything, may be some ee / it guy here can hack the robopong. Wink
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Originally posted by Bilbo Bilbo wrote:

Originally posted by TTslurp TTslurp wrote:

Slevin, the Youtube movie say Robopong 3050xl need special balls. But I wonder if it work good with ordinary plastic balls?


I don't think it says that.  I think it says to only use recommended balls...which I would assume are just 40+ balls.  

I will be in the market for a machine soon and this thread has been very useful.  Thanks to all who contributed so far!


I can confirm. The user manual says 40+ balls, which is basically what they recommend.
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Originally posted by TTslurp TTslurp wrote:

Slevin, the Youtube movie say Robopong 3050xl need special balls. But I wonder if it work good with ordinary plastic balls?

I don't think it says that.  I think it says to only use recommended balls...which I would assume are just 40+ balls.  

I will be in the market for a machine soon and this thread has been very useful.  Thanks to all who contributed so far!
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If 3050 really works as it's design to be, it is totally at a different level of 2050. But now with the bugs to be fixed, I suggest you wait a little longer.
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Damned, it looks so complicated !!!! I prefer the newgy 2050.
There is also a 2055 now. easier to use and with good exercices already available.
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Their customer services/technical support folks are quite responsive so far.
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There's no issue on how fast the robot can switch from backspin to topspin. I don't notice anything. However there are quite a few bugs related to the drill settings, loading precision mode drills, and managing self created drills, etc. The overall experience is still quite lacking, not exactly what are showing in the videos.
However, all of these issues can be potentially fixed by future app updates, which, according to my coversation with their technical support, should be upcoming soon. I'll have to wait and see.

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BTW: this shows the precision mode controls in the robot - see how you can even control (to some extent) the amount of randomness in the balls.


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Originally posted by TTslurp TTslurp wrote:

Slevin, the Youtube movie say Robopong 3050xl need special balls. But I wonder if it work good with ordinary plastic balls?

yes, it works OK with ordinary plastic balls.
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Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

For anyone that has this robot, how long does it take to change from topspin to backspin?

I can see that it can do this either by rotating the head, or by changing the relative speed of the wheels. I expect the rotating of the head will be quicker, but would like to know which method it uses, and how fast it can do this. None of the videos I've seen seem to illustrate this.


I don't think that the head rotates. It is very fast. While this drill ('Forehand Game Situation' and 'Backhand Game Situation' from 5:24 onwards in the video below) is slow, that is because it is a beginner drill. The spins (for advanced drills) can get very heavy and the speed of transition quite fast.

Note: under 'Precision Mode' (not used in the video below), you can determine the transition time between each ball.



See 3:40 onwards (Serve, Backspin, Topspin) in the following:



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For anyone that has this robot, how long does it take to change from topspin to backspin?

I can see that it can do this either by rotating the head, or by changing the relative speed of the wheels. I expect the rotating of the head will be quicker, but would like to know which method it uses, and how fast it can do this. None of the videos I've seen seem to illustrate this.

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Originally posted by TTslurp TTslurp wrote:

Slevin, the Youtube movie say Robopong 3050xl need special balls. But I wonder if it work good with ordinary plastic balls?


Not sure about that, since the robo balls coming with the robot are also 40+. Hope they are similar to the normal brands, for the sake of realistic practice. With that said, you'd get 144 so called top notch robo balls when purchasing the robot. I believe that's way more than enough, especially for a robot with recycling system.
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I want to give credit to Slevin for being a good coach to wanchope. Thank you for taking care of kids.


And yourself, kiddo.
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Slevin, the Youtube movie say Robopong 3050xl need special balls. But I wonder if it work good with ordinary plastic balls?

Edited by TTslurp - 04/19/2018 at 2:30am
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I want to give credit to Slevin for being a good coach to wanchope. Thank you for taking care of kids.
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Originally posted by vic vic wrote:

I have the earlier Amicus 3000+.  Finding the right stored program, or even knowing where to look, is always problematic, and I think it works about the same on the current generation Amicus as well.  


This indeed is a complex problem. However I think even you have the technology to solve this one.


Pencil and paper. Each number I write down what the drill is.

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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by wanchope wanchope wrote:


I have a question. How do you pause or stop the robot during a drill? Your cell phone screen won't stay on the whole time and what if the phone battery dies? Is this an inconvenience in daily use?

Thanks! I'm really thinking of buying it .


You specify at the beginning how many minutes you want the drill to last. Your phone screen turns into a giant red STOP button. If you want to stop midway, press the button, that is all.

If the phone battery dies, then you can't use the machine, I guess. Elementary to plan around.


Great! Sounds pretty easy to use. I guess if I set the minutes at the begining of the drill, it doesn't even matter if the phones dies? (I need to get a new phone, the current one shuts down randomly around 40%...)
I'm going to get one. It's expensive but hopefully it'd help me improve alot!
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Originally posted by wanchope wanchope wrote:


I have a question. How do you pause or stop the robot during a drill? Your cell phone screen won't stay on the whole time and what if the phone battery dies? Is this an inconvenience in daily use?

Thanks! I'm really thinking of buying it .

You specify at the beginning how many minutes you want the drill to last. Your phone screen turns into a giant red STOP button. If you want to stop midway, press the button, that is all.

If the phone battery dies, then you can't use the machine, I guess. Elementary to plan around.
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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by dsc13 dsc13 wrote:


Can you comment on how the 3050XL performs when feeding balls at a higher rate of speed, like 80 balls/min, and changing from underspin to topspin?  For example, a deep underspin to the extreme BH corner, and then a deep topspin to the FH?
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I think that almost all 2 or 3 head robots should be able to do this well. 3050XL does as well.


I have a question. How do you pause or stop the robot during a drill? Your cell phone screen won't stay on the whole time and what if the phone battery dies? Is this an inconvenience in daily use?

Thanks! I'm really thinking of buying it .
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