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    Posted: 02/17/2018 at 4:57pm
Anyone played with both the Robopong 3050xl and the Butterfly Amicus Pro? I've seen a comparison table but wanted to hear from actual players on the pros and cons of each.

Actually, anyone have a review of the Robopong 3050XL? Also, anyone tried the trainerbot?
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I'm also very interested. Looks like a contender to the amicus
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I'm interested in this too.

My gut feeling is that the Amicus has more controls and can do more things.  That said, the problem with the Amicus has always been it's too complicated. For example, you can store many patterns, but you have no easy way to find the pattern you want, or to simply edit an existing (saved) pattern.  My hope is that the 3050XL, with its BT link and App, will provide better control.
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A person involved in 3050XL design claimed that the butterfly robots with their three heads cannot give pure topspin or backspin balls. They always have a bit of side spin in them. I don't know how much truth there is in that statement. Could someone with experience with the butterfly robots please corroborate or invalidate that?
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Can our opponents at the table give us pure topspin or pure underspin? I don't think so, there is always a bit of sidespin, under or top. Pure is not human.
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The Amicus can deliver pure top spin and backspin.
It is easy to program or modify an existing routine.
It takes time to find a known program if it has a mid range number (30-70); you can only jump one routine at a time. Very few people would have many routines programmed...it is easier to just to temporarily modify an existing routine.
I've owned a robopong 1050 previously, so can't comment about the 3050.  I've used the Amicus for hundreds of hours in the last 2 years.
Hope this helps 
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Originally posted by vic vic wrote:

The Amicus can deliver pure top spin and backspin.
It is easy to program or modify an existing routine.
It takes time to find a known program if it has a mid range number (30-70); you can only jump one routine at a time. Very few people would have many routines programmed...it is easier to just to temporarily modify an existing routine.
I've owned a robopong 1050 previously, so can't comment about the 3050.  I've used the Amicus for hundreds of hours in the last 2 years.
Hope this helps 
I have the earlier Amicus 3000+.  Finding the right stored program, or even knowing where to look, is always problematic, and I think it works about the same on the current generation Amicus as well.  

What you need is a simple way to scroll through a list of programs visually, like on a computer.  And to be able to adjust by simply changing parameters.  Doing it at the console is always pain in the neck, at least for me.

I do agree that the three heads should be no problem for pure top or bottom spin.
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Well the 3050xl seems like a very capable robot. I'm attempted. I guess Amicus can provide the same training options as 3050xl does?

Here are the advanced level drills of 3050. This guy has a bunch of great video demos. There are also the entry level and the intermediate level drills.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQv63LPDvQo&t=349s

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I got the 3050xl. Very good indeed.
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Great! I'd love to hear about your user experience and its durablity (too early to tell I guess?).

The biggest factor that prevents me from placing the order now is its price....
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Not much to tell. The wheels can spin in both directions (important to help generate heavy spin in slow strokes. Not all expensive robots do that - for example the Paddle Palace H2W Touch Pro / Y&T 989H does not).

Very customizable (especially in its 'precision' setting). You control the robot by a smartphone app. The advantage of this method is that Robopong can send you extra features in future upgrades like Tesla can (in fact, they just had a fairly significant upgrade last week). You can even adjust time between each ball in a drill (rather than having a constant time for all balls in a drill).

Different types of random modes available.

If, instead of customizing your own drills, you choose to load their standard drills, you generally, also get a link to the video of Dubina showing you how to perform that drill.

Another advantage is that the robot was designed here in the US. So, if you live here and have a potential issue, it is easy to get in touch with the technical designer here rather than just an intermediary who might not solve your problem.

Let me search for disadvantages (if I can reach): more plasticky than my older H2W Touch Pro. No off switch (you have to disconnect the wire). That's basically it for now.

Of course, bear in mind that none of these robots (AFAIK) can serve corkscrew spin.
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Awesome! Thank you for the information! I'll probably start saving for the robot..
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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

I got the 3050xl. Very good indeed.

Can you comment on how the 3050XL performs when feeding balls at a higher rate of speed, like 80 balls/min, and changing from underspin to topspin?  For example, a deep underspin to the extreme BH corner, and then a deep topspin to the FH?

I had a Smartpong robot, which is very similar in construction to the 3050XL but with only one wheel, and in this scenario, the robot didn't perform well if the feed rate got over 60 balls/minute.

Just curious to see if Newgy was able to solve this problem with this design.

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Slevin, would you say you like the 3050xl better than your h2w pro? I've actually been very close to pulling the trigger on an h2w pro but just heard about the 3050xl, similar price range.

Main issues I heard about h2w pro was lack of random (although you can create a drill of 9 shots or something), and speed is fairly low compared to most robots.

I also looked at amicus pro a little bit, but main issues on that one appear to be complexity in use and it also would likely not work out of box with my custom built table.

Which brings me to my last and most important question, how does the 3050xl connect to table? There are currently very limited details or videos around it's setup, other than it works "with all known commercial tables". Does it connect similar to an amicus or does it have a floor base? If similar to amicus, do you know the maximum width of table clamp could work with or have image/details of the mount? I built a table but the edges have a trim piece around them taller than the 1" max an amicus works for. I worry the 3050xl is similar and I may need to modify table to use, unless it has a clamp than can open wider than that.
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Originally posted by superman859 superman859 wrote:

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Which brings me to my last and most important question, how does the 3050xl connect to table? There are currently very limited details or videos around it's setup, other than it works "with all known commercial tables". Does it connect similar to an amicus or does it have a floor base? If similar to amicus, do you know the maximum width of table clamp could work with or have image/details of the mount? I built a table but the edges have a trim piece around them taller than the 1" max an amicus works for. I worry the 3050xl is similar and I may need to modify table to use, unless it has a clamp than can open wider than that.

The 3050XL uses the same mounting method as their 2050/2040 robots and current Amicus Pro, which is that it hangs off the edge of the table.  I'd suggest contacting Newgy direct for suggestions to deal with your thicker edge piece.



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The butterfly robot uses a deflector plate for up and down and side to side. I think this means that any corner ball has a bit of side spin added into the set spin. This is what happens with my butterfly 3000+ robot and I think the pro has the same setup but with 3 wheels. Someone could confirm this sidespin issue though. The 3050 and the coming robobot have the whole wheel head turning for direction and up and down so they do not have this issue. I also feel that the 3050 could be a bit more player realistic as you can see where the ball is going from the robot head direction. This is difficult to do with the butterfly with the defector plates. For me I would go with robobot or 3050.
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Originally posted by maurice101 maurice101 wrote:

The butterfly robot uses a deflector plate for up and down and side to side. I think this means that any corner ball has a bit of side spin added into the set spin. This is what happens with my butterfly 3000+ robot and I think the pro has the same setup but with 3 wheels. Someone could confirm this sidespin issue though.

Confirmed. In fact, depending on the state of the balls and deflector plates, and the intended spin imparted by the rotors, corner shots can have added or diminished side spin, corkscrew spin or even rotation about the fourth dimensional time axis which causes the ball to pass cleanly through my racket. I know this sounds odd, but it's really the only explanation because I never swing and miss.
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Originally posted by dsc13 dsc13 wrote:


Can you comment on how the 3050XL performs when feeding balls at a higher rate of speed, like 80 balls/min, and changing from underspin to topspin?  For example, a deep underspin to the extreme BH corner, and then a deep topspin to the FH?
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I think that almost all 2 or 3 head robots should be able to do this well. 3050XL does as well.
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Originally posted by superman859 superman859 wrote:

Slevin, would you say you like the 3050xl better than your h2w pro?

Clearly better. Not just because of the random modes, but also because:
  1. you can customize drills more precisely (wait time on each ball being different, etc)
  2. you can save a lot more customized drills (my H2W Touch Pro could only save 8)
  3. you get much stronger spin on short balls (not strong enough on the H2W Touch Pro as in that robot, you can't have 1 robot wheel moving in 1 direction and the other wheel moving in the opposite direction)
Originally posted by superman859 superman859 wrote:

Which brings me to my last and most important question, how does the 3050xl connect to table?


Hope this helps.


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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by dsc13 dsc13 wrote:


Can you comment on how the 3050XL performs when feeding balls at a higher rate of speed, like 80 balls/min, and changing from underspin to topspin?  For example, a deep underspin to the extreme BH corner, and then a deep topspin to the FH?
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I think that almost all 2 or 3 head robots should be able to do this well. 3050XL does as well.


I have a question. How do you pause or stop the robot during a drill? Your cell phone screen won't stay on the whole time and what if the phone battery dies? Is this an inconvenience in daily use?

Thanks! I'm really thinking of buying it .
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Originally posted by wanchope wanchope wrote:


I have a question. How do you pause or stop the robot during a drill? Your cell phone screen won't stay on the whole time and what if the phone battery dies? Is this an inconvenience in daily use?

Thanks! I'm really thinking of buying it .

You specify at the beginning how many minutes you want the drill to last. Your phone screen turns into a giant red STOP button. If you want to stop midway, press the button, that is all.

If the phone battery dies, then you can't use the machine, I guess. Elementary to plan around.
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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by wanchope wanchope wrote:


I have a question. How do you pause or stop the robot during a drill? Your cell phone screen won't stay on the whole time and what if the phone battery dies? Is this an inconvenience in daily use?

Thanks! I'm really thinking of buying it .


You specify at the beginning how many minutes you want the drill to last. Your phone screen turns into a giant red STOP button. If you want to stop midway, press the button, that is all.

If the phone battery dies, then you can't use the machine, I guess. Elementary to plan around.


Great! Sounds pretty easy to use. I guess if I set the minutes at the begining of the drill, it doesn't even matter if the phones dies? (I need to get a new phone, the current one shuts down randomly around 40%...)
I'm going to get one. It's expensive but hopefully it'd help me improve alot!
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Originally posted by vic vic wrote:

I have the earlier Amicus 3000+.  Finding the right stored program, or even knowing where to look, is always problematic, and I think it works about the same on the current generation Amicus as well.  


This indeed is a complex problem. However I think even you have the technology to solve this one.


Pencil and paper. Each number I write down what the drill is.

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I want to give credit to Slevin for being a good coach to wanchope. Thank you for taking care of kids.
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Slevin, the Youtube movie say Robopong 3050xl need special balls. But I wonder if it work good with ordinary plastic balls?

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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

I want to give credit to Slevin for being a good coach to wanchope. Thank you for taking care of kids.


And yourself, kiddo.
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Originally posted by TTslurp TTslurp wrote:

Slevin, the Youtube movie say Robopong 3050xl need special balls. But I wonder if it work good with ordinary plastic balls?


Not sure about that, since the robo balls coming with the robot are also 40+. Hope they are similar to the normal brands, for the sake of realistic practice. With that said, you'd get 144 so called top notch robo balls when purchasing the robot. I believe that's way more than enough, especially for a robot with recycling system.
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For anyone that has this robot, how long does it take to change from topspin to backspin?

I can see that it can do this either by rotating the head, or by changing the relative speed of the wheels. I expect the rotating of the head will be quicker, but would like to know which method it uses, and how fast it can do this. None of the videos I've seen seem to illustrate this.

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Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

For anyone that has this robot, how long does it take to change from topspin to backspin?

I can see that it can do this either by rotating the head, or by changing the relative speed of the wheels. I expect the rotating of the head will be quicker, but would like to know which method it uses, and how fast it can do this. None of the videos I've seen seem to illustrate this.


I don't think that the head rotates. It is very fast. While this drill ('Forehand Game Situation' and 'Backhand Game Situation' from 5:24 onwards in the video below) is slow, that is because it is a beginner drill. The spins (for advanced drills) can get very heavy and the speed of transition quite fast.

Note: under 'Precision Mode' (not used in the video below), you can determine the transition time between each ball.



See 3:40 onwards (Serve, Backspin, Topspin) in the following:



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Originally posted by TTslurp TTslurp wrote:

Slevin, the Youtube movie say Robopong 3050xl need special balls. But I wonder if it work good with ordinary plastic balls?

yes, it works OK with ordinary plastic balls.
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