Long lasting BH rubber for casual play

Air assassinS or if u want harder sponge air scirocco

Edited by vanjr - 03/21/2018 at 1:42pm

zeio wrote: Hozuki wrote: Firstly, with durable, I meant that the rubber should not alter its playing behavior, not only 'play great' in your terms. Also, it is not stereotypical to assume factory boosted rubbers will change their playing behavior over time. Because that is common sense (as booster evaporates). I have played with 5 year old, well maintained Mark Vs and they did not play significantly different from a new one. Now that's hysterical. Rubber degrades even if you leave it on the shelf. I need to see a video of your game before I spend more time over this discussion. I have wasted enough of my life over the years. 5-year-old Mark V? How about a 5-year-old Hexer HD, the one from the ESN camp you so despise? Still in service as of this writing at 73 months old and counting.

zeio wrote: Hozuki wrote: Firstly, with durable, I meant that the rubber should not alter its playing behavior, not only 'play great' in your terms. Also, it is not stereotypical to assume factory boosted rubbers will change their playing behavior over time. Because that is common sense (as booster evaporates). I have played with 5 year old, well maintained Mark Vs and they did not play significantly different from a new one. Now that's hysterical. Rubber degrades even if you leave it on the shelf. I need to see a video of your game before I spend more time over this discussion. I have wasted enough of my life over the years. 5-year-old Mark V? How about a 5-year-old Hexer HD, the one from the ESN camp you so despise? Still in service as of this writing at 73 months old and counting.

You need to see me play in order to acknowledge that Mark V is actually durable?
But I can't really say I would be sad if you were to stop contributing to this thread...

Well, if your Hexer holds up, cool story. But the experience I made with the ESN rubbers that I like (Genius, Baracuda) is that after 3-4 Months the sponge becomes very weak and the topsheet starts crumbling in random places, if you are lucky only at the edges but sometimes also inmid the rubber.
So maybe you just respect the fact that I don't like ESN when it comes to durability and noob-friendliness? I'm not looking for unicorns. Just for a durable classic rubber without factory boosting that is suitable for beginners.

Hozuki wrote: But the experience I made with the ESN rubbers that I like (Genius, Baracuda) is that after 3-4 Months the sponge becomes very weak and the topsheet starts crumbling in random places, if you are lucky only at the edges but sometimes also inmid the rubber. So maybe you just respect the fact that I don't like ESN when it comes to durability and noob-friendliness? I'm not looking for unicorns. Just for a durable classic rubber without factory boosting that is suitable for beginners.

All the more reason to see your game. So maybe you just respect the fact that I have my doubt about your experience with rubbers, given your values with knockoffs.

zeio wrote: Hozuki wrote: But the experience I made with the ESN rubbers that I like (Genius, Baracuda) is that after 3-4 Months the sponge becomes very weak and the topsheet starts crumbling in random places, if you are lucky only at the edges but sometimes also inmid the rubber. So maybe you just respect the fact that I don't like ESN when it comes to durability and noob-friendliness? I'm not looking for unicorns. Just for a durable classic rubber without factory boosting that is suitable for beginners. All the more reason to see your game. So maybe you just respect the fact that I have my doubt about your experience with rubbers, given your values with knockoffs.

So... you want to see me play in order to determine whether ESN rubbers crumble inmid the rubber?
You are not making much sense. After all, there are plenty of high level people who just always play Tenergy and have next to zero knowledge about rubbers.
I'd be glad to take a picture of a crumbling rubber though if you need ESN fanboy cure.

And again, why the craze about knockoffs? You have never played that specific rubber so you have no right to judge it.


Edited by Hozuki - 03/22/2018 at 8:03pm

Ok, I respect your opinion since I know very well that there are many dodgy people roaming around.

However, where did you read I cannot distinguish between real and fake rubbers? You need to stop discrediting me on the basis of something you just pulled from the back of your mind. I never said that the fake rubbers plays anything remotely similar to the real one. I merely said it plays well.

I still don't get why you are so infatuated with my person though. Instead of objectively discussing the topic at hand, you get mad when someone disagrees with you and turn over to personal attacks, then demand to see a video of me, when all I wanted was a rubber for casual players. What the hell is wrong with you?

Anyways, when I have the time to learn how to anonymize videos I will put in the effort so I can post a video of me playing, so I don't have to suffer your constant bullying. Until then I hope you can at least respect my privacy.


Edited by Hozuki - 03/23/2018 at 9:02pm

That's what most players would want, yes. Maybe I didn't make it clear enough, I meant for blade testing for other people. It would not suit my style anyways.

Oh, this is going to be fun

I assume you wanted to back up your previous post:

zeio wrote: My insistence on knockoffs is due to fact that if you hardly distinguish any difference b/w real and fake, why should I assume you can discern the difference b/w other rubbers?

by marking my older post

Hozuki wrote: I have bought one and it plays and boosts very well, spin is on par with H2N, quality is very good.

I merely compared two rubbers, by emphasising their strong points. Nobody asked me to distinguish between specific rubber A) and B), neither was that my intention. Since you say "between real and fake", you likely even read H2N wrongly as "hurricane 3 national", which is actually obviously "Hurricane 2 Neo". Sure, I would have differentiated if I had any H3 lying around. But I don't, so you are demanding the  impossible. Anyways, you are completely missing the point. I didn't make a review. The actual purpose of the thread was to raise awareness that obvious fake and cheap hurricane clones can be a very cost efficient alternative to regular rubbers (which I wrote in the thread).
But obviously you didn't get that.

I especially like how you just mark some quotes in bold and comment with vague statements like "The emphasis can't get more clear." You are obviously neither able to make a point, nor able to back it up with evidence. Makes me wonder what kind of education you had. I have a B. Sc. degree (which you are not going to believe, obviously), so I know one thing or two about scientific argumentation. You on the other hand are just a fruit farmer. Now, an example of how bad your arguments are:

zeio wrote: BTW, ever heard of fake reviews? I even posted the poor guys who got conned in your thread. I'm done here. Stay healthy, stay positive, and stay "genuine."

That part is particularily dumb. Nobody got "conned" in that thread.
The only way you would get conned is either
1) if people mistakenly think it is a genuine rubber
2) it does not play well
3) price/performance ratio is way off

1 - "fake" is already in the title of the thread. Not possible to be conned by it.
2 - it plays well in my opinion. You cannot disprove it, because you have not bought the rubber.
3 - how on earth can you get conned by a 10$ rubber, even if it just performs mediocre?

Your arguments are so weak, they are hardly posing a challenge.
Just do yourself a favor and never post in my threads again.
I'll also do you the service and leave your threads / posts / arguments in peace from now on.

If you want to get a traditional rubber like Mark V, there are lots of rubbers you can try that are cheaper like non-tacky Chinese rubbers that can you've you relatively similar performance for a lot cost. The one I have in mind is Dawei XP 2008, but there are many similar rubbers that do really well. Even if they are heavy in max, 2.0 or 1.8mm hardness is really good for these and they pair well with cheap ALL+ blades for a durable set-up.   An advanced player could use then on the backhand for an all round game. Reflectoid 2.0mm is another possibility.

Hozuki wrote: Interesting, I will also get the dawei rubber, never heard but looks good. Thanks for the rec. Regarding esn again, dont get me wrong, I play genius on BH and I like everything except durability, but I am looking for rubbers to hand out on setups for casuals that play in my university sports center. And Tensors are simply not suited for that IMO.

I have 6 month old Genius sheets and they still play well. Like I said you are on your own there.   But inagree that the price does not support that. The Dawei rubber is $8 And I recommend 2.0mm to start as it is quite heavy.

Hozuki wrote: NextLevel wrote: Hozuki wrote: Interesting, I will also get the dawei rubber, never heard but looks good. Thanks for the rec. Regarding esn again, dont get me wrong, I play genius on BH and I like everything except durability, but I am looking for rubbers to hand out on setups for casuals that play in my university sports center. And Tensors are simply not suited for that IMO. I have 6 month old Genius sheets and they still play well. Like I said you are on your own there.   But inagree that the price does not support that. The Dawei rubber is $8 And I recommend 2.0mm to start as it is quite heavy. No, I am not on my own there. The author of the german blog tt-spin.de has been playing Genius for a long time and in his review he specificly states that after 3-4 months the rubber decreases significantly in performance.

That is not my experience though I have only played Genius for 7 months on and off. At lea st, I don't see a decline any different from Hexer.