Long lasting BH rubber for casual play

Butterfly Tenergy, hands down.

T80/64 or ELP/Aurus Prime

I don't care a lot about budget, but the people I lend the combo to probably would. So Tenergy would be a good option if any random casual had good technique and was rich, lol. Used Tenergy doesn't sound too bad though. But I like the idea of japanese sponge, because I associate good feeling and elasticity with it. Isn't there a version of cj8000 with jap sponge and does it play well?

Anyways, are people here seriously recommending Evolutions? I thought they would wear out rather fast due to heavy factory tuning. Hell, most ESN based rubbers suck in terms of durability, that's why I wrote I don't really like the idea of ESN.

G-1 is too hard, sorry. I said only up to 46 deg.

Xiom Musa

Don't waste your time on CJ8000. Yea, it's cheap, and because of that it's like lottery. Palio's QC is crap. Friendship's is crap. Haifu's is crap. They're all crap when it comes to grippy rubbers.

ESN has ceased to be competitive around 2014 with all those price hikes.

I would definitely second the guy who suggested the AK47blue. Astonishing control, decent speed, medium arc, great grip , ultra light and at this price I see no cons

TT newbie wrote: Nittaku Fastarc G-1

I second this. Or the cheaper and slightly softer alternative, TSP ventus speed

Aurus select, aurus and gewo reflexx.

I'd have suggested Agrit, but the thing is there is no price advantage unless you make an internet order with other stuff from Japan.

And since the OP makes it clear about longevity, Mark V won't last a long time. Agrit won't, either. Nothing lasts as long as Tenergy. Why would anyone keep buying it at that price otherwise? That thing still plays well with the edge crumbling away.

Edited by zeio - 03/20/2018 at 12:35pm

mark v, yasaka fusion, yasaka extend, yasaka v stage, nittaku reforma, hammond pro alpha....

zeio wrote: I'd have suggested Agrit, but the thing is there is no price advantage unless you make an internet order with other stuff from Japan. And since the OP makes it clear about longevity, Mark V won't last a long time. Agrit won't, either. Nothing lasts as long as Tenergy. Why would anyone keep buying it at that price otherwise? That thing still plays well with the edge crumbling away.

Any rubber that has tension in its sponge is predetermined to have worse durabilty than those without the extra tension. And Mark V, not durable? I'm afraid I can't take you seriously.

I was afraid that the AK47 Blue might be too soft, but during play it doesn't feel soft, more like medium hard

Zeio, you are ignoring the premises I set. Firstly, with durable, I meant that the rubber should not alter its playing behavior, not only 'play great' in your terms. Also, it is not stereotypical to assume factory boosted rubbers will change their playing behavior over time. Because that is common sense (as booster evaporates). I have played with 5 year old, well maintained Mark Vs and they did not play significantly different from a new one. So you are implying a 5 year old Tenergy will play the same as a new one?

But most importantly, I said it has to be noob friendly. Tenergy is not noob friendly. It is also too costly for noobs.

Funny that you make the effort to dig up other threads trying to discredit me.
Is it that frustrating to be called out on nonsense like saying MarkV not being durable?
That argument, btw is very weak. Counterfeit rubbers can play astonishingly well. You have not tried it, so you cannot criticize me for it. Unless you argue about morals, which is irrelevant, since we are discussing performance and not people.

Lightzy, I appreciate your efforts, but maybe you should stop recommending anyone who is asking about any kind of rubber your battle 2. I even posted a review about it in your thread.

Enough derailing, I will buy AK 47 yellow and Mark V. Props to the constructive people here!

Hozuki, if the rubber fits all the criteria u put up, wouldnt it be silly of you to say not to bring it up? Or do tell me in which criteria it doesnt hold up?

Also if you think ak47 is long lasting..... uhm... it isnt. Its a very high tension thin topshert rubber. I use it for backhand

But then again for a beginner i suppose any rubber will hold up longer if not mishandled.. but still, ak47 is near the bottom in durability in my experience though its a very fast and fun rubber

Edited by Lightzy - 03/21/2018 at 11:05am