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So, about topsheet hardness of the new ESNs (considered as resistance to tangential stretching given the same sponge behind it):
R47 (hardest) > Bluestorm > Aurus Prime > Rhyzer48(softest).
Am I right?
Where to place El-S and MX-P in this sequence?

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El-s > Mx-p > aurus prime > r47 according to me. Havnt tried bluestorm well enough, and havnt tried rhyzer at all, so cant fit them in.
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Originally posted by nv42 nv42 wrote:

El-s > Mx-p > aurus prime > r47 according to me. Havnt tried bluestorm well enough, and havnt tried rhyzer at all, so cant fit them in.


Isn't EL-S topsheet softer than MX-P??? Atleast that's what I recall.
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I found the El-s top a bit harder than mx-p, maybe becuase of the pimple geometry (pips really closely placed). Have only used one sheet of El-s vs a dozen sheets of mx-p.
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I havent tried any bluestorm, but i can confirm that ELS topsheet is harder than MXP too.
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And what about the throw of the aforementioned rubbers given the same blade? Does EL-S have the highest throw?
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Originally posted by GSOM_GSOM11 GSOM_GSOM11 wrote:

And what about the throw of the aforementioned rubbers given the same blade? Does EL-S have the highest throw?


El-s has a very grabby and reactive topsheet reminiscent of the baracuda, however it gives a lower arc on topspin rallies as opposed to mx-p. I wouldn't choose El-s as an mx-p replacement over most of the new gen rubbers tbh.
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I am with nv42. Can’t recommend ELS for either high throw or to play anything like MXP.

I am trying to use EL-S on FH at present. No speed in first gear so definitely put it on a composite blade for some kick: I have it on Lebesson blade and it’s hard work. I like high throw rubbers on FH for a variable topspin game where I can change spin, trajectory and speed with consistency and find the sidelines. EL-S is medium throw at best.

I would also say it is very inconsistent. Opening topspin against long push is fine but as soon as you have to open with more upwards brush against difficult half long balls then you get very little out of it. You have to get into the top sheet all the time. Equally, medium-fast counter topspin is good but if I go for more power I get either a really low trajectory or something that shoots long. Over the table drive spin pretty good, try to loop a dropping ball from mid distance and you need to swing way more upwards than you expect. For me there is no progression in flight and spin as you make small changes to contact. MX-P, Rakza 7, JP01, 5Q VIP and Tenergy all work for me on wood or composite.

My best shots with it are strong but I have no confidence in it in a variable game situation. If you have fast hands, very consistent contact and great footwork then perhaps you would like it more. Having to work very hard to maintain service spin as well.


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Originally posted by fiveplyian fiveplyian wrote:

I am with nv42. Can’t recommend ELS for either high throw or to play anything like MXP.

I am trying to use EL-S on FH at present. No speed in first gear so definitely put it on a composite blade for some kick: I have it on Lebesson blade and it’s hard work. I like high throw rubbers on FH for a variable topspin game where I can change spin, trajectory and speed with consistency and find the sidelines. EL-S is medium throw at best.

I would also say it is very inconsistent. Opening topspin against long push is fine but as soon as you have to open with more upwards brush against difficult half long balls then you get very little out of it. You have to get into the top sheet all the time. Equally, medium-fast counter topspin is good but if I go for more power I get either a really low trajectory or something that shoots long. Over the table drive spin pretty good, try to loop a dropping ball from mid distance and you need to swing way more upwards than you expect. For me there is no progression in flight and spin as you make small changes to contact. MX-P, Rakza 7, JP01, 5Q VIP and Tenergy all work for me on wood or composite.

My best shots with it are strong but I have no confidence in it in a variable game situation. If you have fast hands, very consistent contact and great footwork then perhaps you would like it more. Having to work very hard to maintain service spin as well.


Completely agree with everything you've mentioned, especially weak first gear and low service spin. I had expected some pretty good service spin for a topsheet that is soo reactive to incoming spin, but the fact of the matter is, unless you actually get to engaging the topsheet really well (bye bye soft brushy strokes), you won't get much out of it. I had tried it on a really slow xiom vega pro (slower than a tb spirit). Maybe it will work better with a bouncier and stiffer blade.

Edited by nv42 - 07/06/2018 at 1:38am
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