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    Posted: 05/06/2018 at 8:32am
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I'm playing at a local University and sometimes I'm asked for recommendations for more inexpensive rubbers and blades. Anyone have any experience with the new Gambler Mech-Tek Predator rubber? Reactivity, grippiness, durability? Thanks.

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I now have it on my FH in black. Good grip. Not overly reactive to spin. Not real high rebound. I have not had it long enough for any idea about durability, but it does not look like a fragile topsheet. I also think it is not particularly heavy. I like it. No significant tackiness. It is a good deal at 14 dollars.
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Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

I now have it on my FH in black. Good grip. Not overly reactive to spin. Not real high rebound. I have not had it long enough for any idea about durability, but it does not look like a fragile topsheet. I also think it is not particularly heavy. I like it. No significant tackiness. It is a good deal at 14 dollars.


Thanks! Would you say it is closer to a basic Mark V type rubber, or a tuned rubber like a Tensor? Thanks again.

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Originally posted by richrf richrf wrote:

Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

I now have it on my FH in black. Good grip. Not overly reactive to spin. Not real high rebound. I have not had it long enough for any idea about durability, but it does not look like a fragile topsheet. I also think it is not particularly heavy. I like it. No significant tackiness. It is a good deal at 14 dollars.


Thanks! Would you say it is closer to a basic Mark IV type rubber, or a tuned rubber like a Tensor? Thanks again.


Almost entire new Gambler line - Zero, Big Gun, Mech-Tek - are relatively medium speed rubbers. I think it's best they are used on harder blades, not on soft ones. Unless you play close to the table and want more control on your fast, powerful shots.
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Almost entire new Gambler line - Zero, Big Gun, Mech-Tek - are relatively medium speed rubbers. I think it's best they are used on harder blades, not on soft ones. Unless you play close to the table and want more control on your fast, powerful shots.


Thanks JimT. Would you then place then inbetween Mark V or Sriver rubber and something like a Karis with linear characteristics and little speed our spin dynamics?

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It is not a tensor, but a definite step beyond sriver/markV. Harder sponge. They are pretty linear. 
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I have it on a test blade with LP on the other side, this is a crazy good rubber, I will go as far as saying that this a super cheap alternative to Andro Rasanter R47.
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Thanks everyone. Interesting comments. I may buy a sheet you see if I can recommend it to some of the students next term. I expected to hear that it was a fairly ordinary rubber. If it has some extra dynamics it would be great to have more reviews. Seems like a deal.

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It's pretty good.

Call it a cross between focus3 and outlaw but better. Very good qc.
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only Zeropong sell it?
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It's their brand. Several sell it including me, but it all goes through ZP.
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My concern is that the black will be out of stock in a week. That's the typical pattern when a zp rubber gets hot, then how will the second batch be?

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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

It's their brand. Several sell it including me, but it all goes through ZP.



they charge for shipping to Canada more then rubber cost. it does't make sense. how much you charge for shipping to Canada?
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Hopefully it won’t follow Yinhe moon, sun and their pro version, those were neat rubbers too and they kind of fell into oblivion.
The difference is that ZP’s strategy is awesome: they count on volume and position themselves strategically in that $14 rubber segment and design their stuff accordingly as in « I want my 1-rubber customer to give me $14: what can I offer? » Then quality increases with experience. I should keep quiet and not tickle the sleepy lion or next thing you know those rubbers will cost $17.

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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

It's pretty good.

Call it a cross between focus3 and outlaw but better. Very good qc.


Thanks Cole. How would you characterize the dynamics of the rubber relative to Mark V or a Tensor. Is it tuned or does it need tuning? Thanks!

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Mech-tek is faster and lively than Mark 5 and Sriver. More spin, more speed. Medium arc similar to T80. I am using it on BH. Good for push, block and drive.
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Hopefully it won’t follow Yinhe moon, sun and their pro version, those were neat rubbers too and they kind of fell into oblivion.
The difference is that ZP’s strategy is awesome: they count on volume and position themselves strategically in that $14 rubber segment and design their stuff accordingly as in « I want my 1-rubber customer to give me $14: what can I offer? » Then quality increases with experience. I should keep quiet and not tickle the sleepy lion or next thing you know those rubbers will cost $17.


Sounds like a very smart strategy. If indeed the rubber offers more desirable dynamics than Mark V or Sriver at half the cost, it is definitely a good alternative. The only major disadvantage would be replacement if there isn't another run.

Anyone know of the cut and/or uncut weight?


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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Hopefully it won’t follow Yinhe moon, sun and their pro version, those were neat rubbers too and they kind of fell into oblivion.
The difference is that ZP’s strategy is awesome: they count on volume and position themselves strategically in that $14 rubber segment and design their stuff accordingly as in « I want my 1-rubber customer to give me $14: what can I offer? » Then quality increases with experience. I should keep quiet and not tickle the sleepy lion or next thing you know those rubbers will cost $17.


Could you elaborate on this? As someone stated above, Gambler did release 3 rubbers simultaneously - Zero, Big Gun, and Mech-Tek similar to Yinhe. 
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ZP has been on that 14 dollar price point for a long time. Inflation alone should have added something. 

Cole is of course right. The key will be how will the second batch play.
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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

It's their brand. Several sell it including me, but it all goes through ZP.



they charge for shipping to Canada more then rubber cost. it does't make sense. how much you charge for shipping to Canada?


I charge actual shipping. They've changed all international shipping so that unless it's documents it has to go as a package. I think that means anything's going to be $15. It's that up to 2 lb. There might be a lower rate for one sheet if it's under 4 grams or rather 4 ounces I should say.

To answer another question, I just weighed a Mech Tech Red 2.1 at 62g
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

It's their brand. Several sell it including me, but it all goes through ZP.



they charge for shipping to Canada more then rubber cost. it does't make sense. how much you charge for shipping to Canada?


I charge actual shipping. They've changed all international shipping so that unless it's documents it has to go as a package. I think that means anything's going to be $15. It's that up to 2 lb. There might be a lower rate for one sheet if it's under 4 grams or rather 4 ounces I should say.



I tried to buy one rubber and got $15 for shipping


Sub-Total: $14.00
Zone Rates (Shipping to CA): $15.00
Total: $29.00
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

From zeropong?


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Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

From zeropong?


yes

While I agree those shipping costs are too high (maybe ZP needs a Canadian distributor-what say ye Megaspin and Tom?) if you think that you got a rubber worth 30 dollars (and I think that is a reasonable argument depending on how long it lasts which is still too early to tell) it is still an OK deal. Better deal yet if you combine it with more rubbers or some of the FLC blades or my newest favorite gambler vector hinoki blade.

edit-megaspin does sell gambler rubbers. this should be settled quickly with an email/phone call or two.


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it's going to be 15 no matter where you buy it (outside of canada) I would imagine, because that's the actual cost of shipping
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Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

From zeropong?


yes


While I agree those shipping costs are too high (maybe ZP needs a Canadian distributor-what say ye Megaspin and Tom?) if you think that you got a rubber worth 30 dollars (and I think that is a reasonable argument depending on how long it lasts which is still too early to tell) it is still an OK deal. Better deal yet if you combine it with more rubbers or some of the FLC blades or my newest favorite gambler vector hinoki blade.

edit-megaspin does sell gambler rubbers. this should be settled quickly with an email/phone call or two.




for $30 I can get Bluefire with free shipping
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

it's going to be 15 no matter where you buy it (outside of canada) I would imagine, because that's the actual cost of shipping


Yes, but if some Canadian store/dealer would sell Gambler rubbers, the S&H overhead would be much lower since he/she would buy and ship them in bulk. Are there any decent Canadian TT stores which could be asked to carry Gambler brand?
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Didn't ppgear sell it when Arthur owned it?
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Originally posted by richrf richrf wrote:

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Almost entire new Gambler line - Zero, Big Gun, Mech-Tek - are relatively medium speed rubbers. I think it's best they are used on harder blades, not on soft ones. Unless you play close to the table and want more control on your fast, powerful shots.


Thanks JimT. Would you then place then in between Mark V or Sriver rubber and something like a Karis with linear characteristics and little speed our spin dynamics?


Never played with Karis. They are certainly a bit slower than, say, Outlaw, or Palio Aeolus (or AK47). I guess you can boost them up to get a better speed but then what's the point, you could do the same with Sriver or Mark V and many others.

How about weight of Mech-Tek? Big Gun was pretty heavy. Zero with the lightest sponge (regular) was relatively lighter, but I am not sure about Mech-Tek.
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Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

It is not a tensor, but a definite step beyond sriver/markV. Harder sponge. They are pretty linear. 


I m thinking if this rubber is spinny and soft to put 2 in a ALL blade and have a light raquet
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