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    Posted: 05/21/2018 at 9:32am
Earlier I saw that he entered the China Open.
Now I see he is in Hang Seng Hong Kong Open too.
He is not seeded, will have to play in the qualification group.

Two World Tours in a row, Jike Zhang is really back in business where he once excelled.
(No one can force him to play unless he wants to.)




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I'm very much looking forward to seeing where he's at.  The Hong Kong tournament is definitely winnable if he's in good form.  WCT and LSS are the two highest rated players for this tourney.  
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Man, just found out Jike Zhang would be in Japan Open also.
3 World Tours in a raw.  (Hang Seng Hong Kong Open, China Open, and Japan Open.)
I have not checked events far into the future yet.
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Let's hope his back is healthy enough.  How long was he out?

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His last chance.....because other players are pushing to get their chances competing internationaly....a few places for thousand of players...look at Xu Ruifeng, the last Thai Open winner.
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This is pointing a little bit early to Tokyo, one last time and good bye for good, him and his bro at the very top again right before retirement, warming up and testing the waters he is right now (?), drama at its best going on. The man still got it!


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Right now, ZJK as a CNT head coach would do better than him playing, this is like Waldner/Persson business, “I can so I do”, and generations of talents don’t get to see the light... sad I say.
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

His last chance.....because other players are pushing to get their chances competing internationaly....a few places for thousand of players...look at Xu Ruifeng, the last Thai Open winner.


Do you honestly believe Xu Ruifeng is even close to the level of ZJK?
His style is unique and looks a bit weird, so my judgement might be wrong. I however dont think he will ever be able to compete with the worlds best, especially because of his footwork.

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Originally posted by speedglue speedglue wrote:

This is pointing a little bit early to Tokyo, one last time and good bye for good, him and his bro at the very top again right before retirement, warming up and testing the waters he is right now (?), drama at its best going on. The man still got it!

That's extremely optimistic.  There's 2 spots for singles at the Olympics.  Right now they would go to Ma Long and Fan Zhendong.  Good to see ZJK playing again and the Tokyo Olympics is still 2 years away, but I don't see him besting either of those guys.
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Originally posted by Thomasson Thomasson wrote:

Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

His last chance.....because other players are pushing to get their chances competing internationaly....a few places for thousand of players...look at Xu Ruifeng, the last Thai Open winner.


Do you honestly believe Xu Ruifeng is even close to the level of ZJK?
His style is unique and looks a bit weird, so my judgement might be wrong. I however dont think he will ever be able to compete with the worlds best, especially because of his footwork.



Of course not but I just wanted to say that even "unknown" Chinese players are able to win tournaments and competition is hard in China.Places are limited and ZJK got already plenty chances which he missed.
Also,...Who knows, maybe Xu Ruifeng is better than ZJK now.
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Xu Ruifeng won the Thai Open alright, but I am not impressed.
He has only one shot - stands still there and attacks with his BH.
Even that shot does not impress me at all.

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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Xu Ruifeng won the Thai Open alright, but I am not impressed.
He has only one shot - stands still there and attacks with his BH.
Even that shot does not impress me at all.



LOL his style is quite good for amateurs to imitate actually.
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I never watch Xu Ruifeng's match before. Since someone in here said that he could push ZJK down a spot at CNT, I went to youtube. I believe Xu is a CNT's imitate player (that Korean player, I forget his name). CNT threw him a bone because he was a good teammate LOL

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Really enjoy this match, hadn't heard of Stoyanov before but thought his style was interesting to watch, lots of unusual shots thrown in along with interesting serves and receives. I wonder if Stoyanov has a good serve (relatively speaking) or if Zhang Jike was misreading them because he lacked match practice. 

Also interesting to see how effective long serves can be at pro level. 


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At times in the match, briefly, he looked like the old Jike. It doesn't look like to me he has fully adapted to the plastic ball, his celluloid instincts keep kicking in.
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At times in the match, briefly, he looked like the old Jike. It doesn't look like to me he has fully adapted to the plastic ball, his celluloid instincts keep kicking in.

^This is on spot. Anyone reached a certain level of table tennis will know how quality of a comment it is. 
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He played well, just needs to get some more real game action to increase his speed just a little bit.
Training is always different from real action
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Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:



At times in the match, briefly, he looked like the old Jike. It doesn't look like to me he has fully adapted to the plastic ball, his celluloid instincts keep kicking in.

Whether or not that is true is up for debate, but either way, if he cannot adapt after this long of a time that becomes a valid criticism of him as a player rather than a legitimate excuse anymore. It's not like everyone else hasn't had to adapt. 
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Originally posted by hunkeelin hunkeelin wrote:

Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:



At times in the match, briefly, he looked like the old Jike. It doesn't look like to me he has fully adapted to the plastic ball, his celluloid instincts keep kicking in.

^This is on spot. Anyone reached a certain level of table tennis will know how quality of a comment it is. 

Except for anyone who reached a "certain level" after the ball change, or anyone who just naturally adapted and doesn't want to excuse a loss because of something they've had several years to adjust to. All this comes down to is how much someone thinks they understand matchplay way out of their league, and how much of an excuse they will make for their favorite players.
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After I watched the first match of his comeback I knew we were not going to see the old ZJK just the one of the past couple years. He is still a good player just not good enough for CNT. The plastic ball has nothing to do with his decline its just age and injury.
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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Originally posted by hunkeelin hunkeelin wrote:

Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:



At times in the match, briefly, he looked like the old Jike. It doesn't look like to me he has fully adapted to the plastic ball, his celluloid instincts keep kicking in.


^This is on spot. Anyone reached a certain level of table tennis will know how quality of a comment it is. 


Except for anyone who reached a "certain level" after the ball change, or anyone who just naturally adapted and doesn't want to excuse a loss because of something they've had several years to adjust to. All this comes down to is how much someone thinks they understand matchplay way out of their league, and how much of an excuse they will make for their favorite players.


Ridiculous
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It would be great if he signed up for the Bundesliga for one season.
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Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:

Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Originally posted by hunkeelin hunkeelin wrote:

Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:



At times in the match, briefly, he looked like the old Jike. It doesn't look like to me he has fully adapted to the plastic ball, his celluloid instincts keep kicking in.


^This is on spot. Anyone reached a certain level of table tennis will know how quality of a comment it is. 


Except for anyone who reached a "certain level" after the ball change, or anyone who just naturally adapted and doesn't want to excuse a loss because of something they've had several years to adjust to. All this comes down to is how much someone thinks they understand matchplay way out of their league, and how much of an excuse they will make for their favorite players.


Ridiculous

Yes, I suppose Maharu Yoshimura didn't have to adjust to the ball change? Maybe tell me which part of my post was ridiculous and why?


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Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:

Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Originally posted by hunkeelin hunkeelin wrote:

Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:



At times in the match, briefly, he looked like the old Jike. It doesn't look like to me he has fully adapted to the plastic ball, his celluloid instincts keep kicking in.


^This is on spot. Anyone reached a certain level of table tennis will know how quality of a comment it is. 


Except for anyone who reached a "certain level" after the ball change, or anyone who just naturally adapted and doesn't want to excuse a loss because of something they've had several years to adjust to. All this comes down to is how much someone thinks they understand matchplay way out of their league, and how much of an excuse they will make for their favorite players.


Ridiculous

Correction. I mean ridiculous to those who said zhang jike didnt have time to adjust. 
If Zhang jike still cant adjust after so long and you people still think its because of injury, i feel you guys shd say zhang jike shd quit and stop playing. 


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Generally Speaking, the plastic ball adjustment period has hurt strong backhand players while helping the weaker backhand players.
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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Yes, I suppose Maharu Yoshimura didn't have to adjust to the ball change? Maybe tell me which part of my post was ridiculous and why?
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Your earlier post and this one are spot on, I don't see anything ridiculous at all.
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Why cant anyone just admit younger players get better and the older ones just couldn't handle them anymore. 
Get real guys.

Stop blaming the adjustments and injury. Its 2018. 


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Generally Speaking, the plastic ball adjustment period has hurt strong backhand players while helping the weaker backhand players.

Yes, it has really hurt players with great backhands like Dima, Calderano, Harimoto, Kallberg, Pitchford, Gnanasekaran. Oh wait...what else do those guys have in common? 

I suppose the reason Waldner and Samsonov aren't dominating is because they haven't fully adjusted to the 40, or 40+ mm ball...
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Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:


Generally Speaking, the plastic ball adjustment period has hurt strong backhand players while helping the weaker backhand players.


Yes, it has really hurt players with great backhands like Dima, Calderano, Harimoto, Kallberg, Pitchford, Gnanasekaran. Oh wait...what else do those guys have in common? 

I suppose the reason Waldner and Samsonov aren't dominating is because they haven't fully adjusted to the 40, or 40+ mm ball...


Another ridiculous statement, Waldner is 52 Samsonov 42.
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Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:

Originally posted by bard romance bard romance wrote:

Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:


Generally Speaking, the plastic ball adjustment period has hurt strong backhand players while helping the weaker backhand players.


Yes, it has really hurt players with great backhands like Dima, Calderano, Harimoto, Kallberg, Pitchford, Gnanasekaran. Oh wait...what else do those guys have in common? 

I suppose the reason Waldner and Samsonov aren't dominating is because they haven't fully adjusted to the 40, or 40+ mm ball...


Another ridiculous statement, Waldner is 52 Samsonov 42.

Lol you don't get it do you? Maybe I need to speak more literally than trying to let you fill in the blanks. Zhang Jike is 30 (maybe 32 depending on if his age was faked), past his physical peak in a game that is more physical than ever, and is clearly not training to the degree that he was during his prime. But you want to blame the ball.

Can you go into more detail about your earlier point that the new ball has hurt people with strong backhands? And how you can identify that as the main reason why he lost this match? Thanks.


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