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He still seem to be surprised a few time at the bounce of the ball, or was return at all.  I think he will adjust as he put in more games.
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He smoke for over half of his life. Of course there will be stamina issues. ZJK is done, he can spend time adjusting all he want, while other players are improving. 
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If ZJK trains hard, I think he can reach a ranking between top 10 and top 20 but of course, this will not be enough for a player with such a palmares.
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Originally posted by Leshxa Leshxa wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

I think he easy will beat Harimoto


Actually ended up being completely opposite. Harimoto cleared ZJK 4-0. It was kinda sad. In game 2, Harimoto was up 3-1, I saw ZJK body language completely change. He became nonchalant, didn't see much effort after that.


Did you watch the whole match or just the highlights? Or just even a shorter version? The shorter versions miss the feel of the match
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I am not a ZJK fan, but I don't believe he is all washed up.  It just doesn't happen like that.  For sure top 10 if he trains hard.
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I watched the match this morning not knowing the result (not that easy). I felt like harimoto has a lot of room to improve and he is already so strong so he truly is a level up taking the ball so early and using that bh punch along the line that much, I do not see a solution for zjk unless he does the same with success. His comeback is a baby steps process and while he works at it, Harimoto gains strength and confidence, zjk might not have the sacred fire and utter willpower to join top 5 again, his mental has shifted to broader centers of interest and if TT is not taking 100% of his focus there’s no way he can succeed. If we add to that his limitations re. injury prevention, he is buried!
I saw zjk’s fh very sloppy today, that was a major factor as well. It was sad to see him that much far from his prime. He might just give up.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by Leshxa Leshxa wrote:

Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

I think he easy will beat Harimoto


Actually ended up being completely opposite. Harimoto cleared ZJK 4-0. It was kinda sad. In game 2, Harimoto was up 3-1, I saw ZJK body language completely change. He became nonchalant, didn't see much effort after that.


Did you watch the whole match or just the highlights? Or just even a shorter version? The shorter versions miss the feel of the match

What do you mean by the "feel of the match?". I saw the long version. You disagree with ZJK lack of effort?
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I think the effort is there, but he knew he did not have the answer to Harimoto's game.
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Originally posted by mhnh007 mhnh007 wrote:

I think the effort is there, but he knew he did not have the answer to Harimoto's game.


ya i like watching him test his level vs hari. he didnt faall baack to the old style he stayed close and tested himself. hopefully he had fun and, not upset losing to a young player
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speed beats power, who controls off the bounce controls the game.
Jike is not ready for speedy game. Harimoto proves that/
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Jike has never been a dorminant player in his career. Even at his peak, he was still losing to players of his level and even lower ones often. No one was afraid of him except for WH. Technically he was and is not complete. He won grand slam because he rose to the occasions and WH always eliminated ML in the semifinals. As his physicality declines and banana flip becomes a routine weapon, he will not be able to win again at the highest level. He is short- lived, not evergreen, unlike JO, Valadi and Timo. A lot of players are better than him when they were at their 30s. The reality is he is not talented enough to get away with lack of discipline for professional TT.
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I saw a video where he said he has only been training for a month now. If that's true he might be able to get back in the top 25. Depends if these loses light a fire with in him or just makes him quit.
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His current world rank is 102
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Originally posted by chongqinghotpot chongqinghotpot wrote:

Jike has never been a dorminant player in his career. Even at his peak, he was still losing to players of his level and even lower ones often. No one was afraid of him except for WH. Technically he was and is not complete. He won grand slam because he rose to the occasions and WH always eliminated ML in the semifinals. As his physicality declines and banana flip becomes a routine weapon, he will not be able to win again at the highest level. He is short- lived, not evergreen, unlike JO, Valadi and Timo. A lot of players are better than him when they were at their 30s. The reality is he is not talented enough to get away with lack of discipline for professional TT.

What part of this takes into account what was obviously a debilitating injury that he still managed to perform reasonably well with over the past 2 years or so?

You may well be right but let's revisit in half a year.  He looks better than he has, the problem for him this Japan Open is that I don't understand how he is going to beat Li Yun Ju (who is criminally underranked).
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Originally posted by chongqinghotpot chongqinghotpot wrote:

Jike has never been a dorminant player in his career. Even at his peak, he was still losing to players of his level and even lower ones often. No one was afraid of him except for WH. Technically he was and is not complete. He won grand slam because he rose to the occasions and WH always eliminated ML in the semifinals. As his physicality declines and banana flip becomes a routine weapon, he will not be able to win again at the highest level. He is short- lived, not evergreen, unlike JO, Valadi and Timo. A lot of players are better than him when they were at their 30s. The reality is he is not talented enough to get away with lack of discipline for professional TT.


Oh he was dominant all right, just for no more than 3 years. He would have had the upper hand even if Ma Long had made it to the finals in one of his grand slam titles. It's just that Ma was the only one in the world who would of had a chance, which showed his dominance. I believe he managed to beat ML in the 2014 World Cup when he already started his decline, with his experience and mental toughness.

Maybe people figured out how to deal with the banana flick, maybe the new ball changed things, but it was very effective at the time and ZJK perfected it in his game.
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Good point. The top 3/4 Chinese players (switching in FZD for Wang Hao) were all dominant and mostly losing to each other. Some of this changed with the move away from the original plastic ball after the 2016 Olympics but not in any real way.

But what was very obvious to everyone last year was that ZJK was not healthy.   Now he is. I don't know why people aren't willing to let him play for a few months before figuring out what he can really do.
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Recently, the best Jike Zhang could reach is Round 32. He got beat in Round 32 every single time (see link).
But in this upcoming Japan Open, Jike may not even be able to reach Round 32.

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Originally posted by chongqinghotpot chongqinghotpot wrote:

Jike has never been a dorminant player in his career. Even at his peak, he was still losing to players of his level and even lower ones often. No one was afraid of him except for WH. Technically he was and is not complete. He won grand slam because he rose to the occasions and WH always eliminated ML in the semifinals. As his physicality declines and banana flip becomes a routine weapon, he will not be able to win again at the highest level. He is short- lived, not evergreen, unlike JO, Valadi and Timo. A lot of players are better than him when they were at their 30s. The reality is he is not talented enough to get away with lack of discipline for professional TT.


Oh he was dominant all right, just for no more than 3 years. He would have had the upper hand even if Ma Long had made it to the finals in one of his grand slam titles. It's just that Ma was the only one in the world who would of had a chance, which showed his dominance. I believe he managed to beat ML in the 2014 World Cup when he already started his decline, with his experience and mental toughness.

Maybe people figured out how to deal with the banana flick, maybe the new ball changed things, but it was very effective at the time and ZJK perfected it in his game.
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I think ZJK is retooling.  He does not do BH flip as often as before, and he is doing a lot of BH punch block instead of counter loop.  Give him another year, this guy is an innovator.  If he rises back to the top, I wouldn't be surprised to see other players playing the same way, just like with the BH flip.  Always give the ex-champ the benefit of a doubt Smile
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I think ZJK is retooling.  He does not do BH flip as often as before, and he is doing a lot of BH punch block instead of counter loop.  Give him another year, this guy is an innovator.  If he rises back to the top, I wouldn't be surprised to see other players playing the same way, just like with the BH flip.  Always give the ex-champ the benefit of a doubt Smile



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ZJK beat Matsubara Yutaka (Chile):  11-3, 11-2, 11-3, 11-4.
Yutaka got an average of 3 points per game. Impressive performance by Jike.

Now the hard part, ZJK will play Lin Yun-Ju  (table 1.)
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Originally posted by mhnh007 mhnh007 wrote:

I think ZJK is retooling.  He does not do BH flip as often as before, and he is doing a lot of BH punch block instead of counter loop.  Give him another year, this guy is an innovator.  If he rises back to the top, I wouldn't be surprised to see other players playing the same way, just like with the BH flip.  Always give the ex-champ the benefit of a doubt Smile



how many chinese players play for china at 31 ? zero
So ML will be coaching soon?
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When ZJK was at his peak, he could only barely beat TB or VS. He was actually losing to them at times. To me, he had no dominance over the top players at the time except for WH because he had been WH’s training partner . ZJK comprensated his skill deficits (relatively speaking for the highest level) with exceptional toughness, strength and power and succeeded with a lot of luck.
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Originally posted by chongqinghotpot chongqinghotpot wrote:

When ZJK was at his peak, he could only barely beat TB or VS. He was actually losing to them at times. To me, he had no dominance over the top players at the time except for WH because he had been WH’s training partner . ZJK comprensated his skill deficits (relatively speaking for the highest level) with exceptional toughness, strength and power and succeeded with a lot of luck.

So all those finals between Ma Long and Zhang Jike in the World Tour, his basically being the only player that could beat Ma Long head to head when Ma Long was in peak form, and those Grand Slams are a figment of my imagination?

He wasn't as dominant as Ma Long.  But he was basically better than anyone who wasn't in the CNT.  He doesn't have to beat everyone as easily as Ma Long to be dominant.  He just had to be better than the rest.  And he was, the loss here or there not withstanding. 
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Originally posted by chongqinghotpot chongqinghotpot wrote:

When ZJK was at his peak, he could only barely beat TB or VS. He was actually losing to them at times. To me, he had no dominance over the top players at the time except for WH because he had been WH’s training partner . ZJK comprensated his skill deficits (relatively speaking for the highest level) with exceptional toughness, strength and power and succeeded with a lot of luck.


I don't remember him had trouble with TB? ZJK only tried hard in big events AND in singles, you know? I recall he did almost lose to Samsonov in 2012 OG but that seems the only close call in his grand slams.   
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After he won the single in OG, he lost to TM in the team event right away, if my memory is correct.
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No doubt he was a great player ant it was super exciting to watch him play, then! He was just not a dorminant player. Nevertheless, he won the big ones in a different way as LGJ won them in his own way as well.
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ZJK was a favourite in every final he was in. Even in 2016, with a bad back, he was still picked ahead of XX, and FZD to go to the OG, and won silver. Even though he lost to ML, there was more people picking him to win.
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