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    Posted: 05/24/2018 at 9:35am
I improved my rallying skills (to circa 1300) and feel this drill helped:

I block BH, but as opposed to all the videos I see, I make a small
(half-foot) step left or right so that I hit the ball right in front.
If I don't need to make step I make a small jump in the same spot.

So I started recommending this drill to my sons, other players.
But is it really a useful drill? I started having doubts since I
cannot see any top players do it. Too basic for them?
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I think it is good and something most of us should work on. Top players? Well I am not one of those...
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Most kids here are taught that way (in non-professional settings, I don't know how they coach at the top levels). They are basically taught to never stop moving, so I think you having that little jump will help keep you in rhythm to make the next movement.

Personally, I feel like the moment I stop moving, I'll be late to the next ball if I suddenly need to move.

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Originally posted by pitigoi pitigoi wrote:

I improved my rallying skills (to circa 1300) and feel this drill helped:

I block BH, but as opposed to all the videos I see, I make a small
(half-foot) step left or right so that I hit the ball right in front.
If I don't need to make step I make a small jump in the same spot.

So I started recommending this drill to my sons, other players.
But is it really a useful drill? I started having doubts since I
cannot see any top players do it. Too basic for them?

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 Best b/hand players push off from to right foot to left on execution, it can, and does leave them too square to play a f/hand if switched. pushing off from right to left, means they can move wide on the b/hand side to get behind the ball, but really does expose a quick switch the the f/hand. 
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Posting a video would help explain the drill and its benefits / downsides.
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Originally posted by Leshxa Leshxa wrote:

Posting a video would help explain the drill and its benefits / downsides.


Took me long time to make and post this video of myself.

This was with my robot, but I am also doing such BH block drill with small steps with whoever is willing to hit to my BH repeatedly. To recap the original question: useful drill?
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Not only is it useful, it's necessary! For warm ups, you might not need to be making those steps if both you and your partner are very consistent. But in generally you should always be making micro-adjustments with your feet to be able to hit the ball in front of your body.

I'm sure there are lots of better videos demonstrating it, but this is just the first one that popped up when I searched.

From 1:08 to 1:15 you can see this girl doing it.


In my opinion, when teaching young kids, the moment they have their basic form down, they should be adding in footwork into their practice, and this is a part of regular footwork exercises, just with micro adjustments instead of bigger ones.

I also recommend doing micro hops (with your feet staying as close to the ground as possible) instead of just moving one foot. It's even more important build that habit so they don't reach for the ball when it does go further. Also, it's quicker to recover in my opinion.
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Originally posted by pitigoi pitigoi wrote:

I improved my rallying skills (to circa 1300) and feel this drill helped:

I block BH, but as opposed to all the videos I see, I make a small
(half-foot) step left or right so that I hit the ball right in front.
If I don't need to make step I make a small jump in the same spot.

So I started recommending this drill to my sons, other players.
But is it really a useful drill? I started having doubts since I
cannot see any top players do it. Too basic for them?
yes  a normal footwork drill to remember for life .... the old sidestep

also important when the opposition serve wide to your left , (without the step left then a miss is more likely) this for a right hander
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OP: I'm at the same level - 1300ish - and also focused on movement/footwork atm (perhaps this is the level when you start to truly grasp its importance)  

I mostly train myself in my garage, but supplement it with 1 hour per week with the local coach.

Originally posted by pitigoi pitigoi wrote:

 I make a small (half-foot) step left or right so that I hit the ball right in front.

When I get lazy or forget to do this, the coach is on me like white on rice :)

Originally posted by pitigoi pitigoi wrote:


If I don't need to make step I make a small jump in the same spot.

I started doing this too (to build the habit of moving for every ball) and the coach jumped all over me. He claimed if I was already in good position, this jump was more likely to throw my stroke off - rather than setting myself and making a strong, firm stroke.

I thought I'd mention it since it surprised me - I thought he'd be thrilled I was working so hard to move for every ball but not so much... :)

 
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Maybe at high levels it's better not to move like that. But to help learn footwork, I'm personally a fan of moving on the spot. 

To help me learn to move (and it's always a work in progress), I did something very similar. I made sure I moved AFTER every shot, even if it was on the same spot. Then I'd move again to adjust to the incoming ball.

My mindset is moving too much is better than not moving at all. I'm hoping as I get better, I'll move the correct amount and to the right place subconsciously!
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This adding the small hsops between shots is my goal for 2018, and probably will be for 2019 and beyond at the rate I'm going. I think it's super important. Watch any pro match on youtube and check their feet, they constantly reset to stay balanced.

I agree with hunkeelin. Maybe I would say ball feeling is most important, the little steps to reset second most.
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