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Jackwong i have some marbles you mightve lost.

ML and waldner player in different eras, and thus its very subjective.

Waldner lost to players far worse than harimoto, who played a wonderful match.
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by szndoga szndoga wrote:

It has been suggested that Chinese use undetectable secret glues and boosters and that is why they are dominant.  I am not suggesting this but I think players like Boll complained. Also it is not clear why China cannot be good in tennis also if they are not cheating. I am not accusing anyone & Ma Long is not a bad player but is too mechanical & not sexy and  not sure if he will win without these secret glues


If they're undetectable how did you know about it and how can you be so sure? LOL

Also you need a new pair of glasses Wink Ma Long's control and touch is almost second to none in the modern game which is why players more powerful than him (Liang Jingkun, Fan Zhendong, Ovtcharov, etc...) have not been able to touch him. You must have also missed the sheer amount of ridiculous point winning chop blocks, the FH winners where he completely fakes out his opponents, and all his precisely placed short/long pushes. He's much more artistic with his play (except for maybe Xu Xin) compared to other players like WLQ/Wang Hao/ZJK/FZD, and very much comparable to Waldner and Ma Lin. He's probably the last person on the CNT that you should be calling "too mechanical"! 


Ma long has only been dominant in the last 3 years after turning 27 (After the retirement of wang hao and decline of Zjk, both of whom had an edge over ma long).

OTOH, Waldner was dominant between age 22~32.
He won Manchester wttc singles without
dropping a single set when he was 31.
Waldner was the best player in the world for at least a 12~14 years period. Ma long has only been the best player for the last 3, 4 years.
Waldner also played in a tougher era competition wise.


Gosh jackwong23 is so narrow minded that it's funny... if Waldner was so dominant in his era like what you said, why did he have less major titles under his belt after 12-14 years compared to Ma Long's 3 years? LOLLOLLOL


As I said before Waldner played in a tougher era than ma long. There were more tough opponents during waldner's era. In a knock out tornament like the wttc and olympics, one bad game would get you eliminated. Ma Lin did not win one single wttc singles title in 9 or 10 attempts. Wang Hao won it only once in similar number of attempts. Wang Liqin did not win a single world cup after more than a dozen attempts. It is not easy to win the big tournament.


On the way to his majors Ma Long has triumphed over even greater players such as Fan Zhendong, Zhang Jike, and many other top players. Or does that not count as credible opposition?

If it's that easy to win majors in the Ma Long era, why have great players like Boll or Ovtcharov or Samsonov or Fan Zhendong or Ma Lin not won a WTTC yet?

Also FYI the WTTC and Olympics are still in a knockout format...no different to Waldners era...

You have got to try harder because your arguments are so bad that they're self defeating


Did waldner lose to a 14 year old in his prime ?


waldner lost in the 1st round twice(2003,1996 OG) played like 23 year 2 world tittles. wlq played less time and 3 world championships..lol never seen so much posters pounding on wct fan

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/09/2018 at 2:56pm
Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by szndoga szndoga wrote:

It has been suggested that Chinese use undetectable secret glues and boosters and that is why they are dominant.  I am not suggesting this but I think players like Boll complained. Also it is not clear why China cannot be good in tennis also if they are not cheating. I am not accusing anyone & Ma Long is not a bad player but is too mechanical & not sexy and  not sure if he will win without these secret glues


If they're undetectable how did you know about it and how can you be so sure? LOL

Also you need a new pair of glasses Wink Ma Long's control and touch is almost second to none in the modern game which is why players more powerful than him (Liang Jingkun, Fan Zhendong, Ovtcharov, etc...) have not been able to touch him. You must have also missed the sheer amount of ridiculous point winning chop blocks, the FH winners where he completely fakes out his opponents, and all his precisely placed short/long pushes. He's much more artistic with his play (except for maybe Xu Xin) compared to other players like WLQ/Wang Hao/ZJK/FZD, and very much comparable to Waldner and Ma Lin. He's probably the last person on the CNT that you should be calling "too mechanical"! 


Ma long has only been dominant in the last 3 years after turning 27 (After the retirement of wang hao and decline of Zjk, both of whom had an edge over ma long).

OTOH, Waldner was dominant between age 22~32.
He won Manchester wttc singles without
dropping a single set when he was 31.
Waldner was the best player in the world for at least a 12~14 years period. Ma long has only been the best player for the last 3, 4 years.
Waldner also played in a tougher era competition wise.


Gosh jackwong23 is so narrow minded that it's funny... if Waldner was so dominant in his era like what you said, why did he have less major titles under his belt after 12-14 years compared to Ma Long's 3 years? LOLLOLLOL


As I said before Waldner played in a tougher era than ma long. There were more tough opponents during waldner's era. In a knock out tornament like the wttc and olympics, one bad game would get you eliminated. Ma Lin did not win one single wttc singles title in 9 or 10 attempts. Wang Hao won it only once in similar number of attempts. Wang Liqin did not win a single world cup after more than a dozen attempts. It is not easy to win the big tournament.


On the way to his majors Ma Long has triumphed over even greater players such as Fan Zhendong, Zhang Jike, and many other top players. Or does that not count as credible opposition?

If it's that easy to win majors in the Ma Long era, why have great players like Boll or Ovtcharov or Samsonov or Fan Zhendong or Ma Lin not won a WTTC yet?

Also FYI the WTTC and Olympics are still in a knockout format...no different to Waldners era...

You have got to try harder because your arguments are so bad that they're self defeating


Did waldner lose to a 14 year old in his prime ?


This argument is moot as Waldner lost to so many more weak players ranked much worse than Harimoto (who is now a top 10 player, believe it or not!) even during his "prime", especially when they're just normal Opens.

Think you're running out of arguments to support your narrow minded views


At least waldner did not lose to a toddler.


No but he once lost to an American which is worse.
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Don't think so, Baal.Smile

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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Don't think so, Baal.Smile

worst or as bad as losing to an American - a Canadian
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Don't think so, Baal.Smile


I know so. Once lost to Jim Butler in a Swedish league match.
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hahaha, IMO, Losing to a toddler is more embarassing than losing to an American adult who was ranked 70 in the world

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Perhaps unless it is a toddler in the world top 10?
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Harimoto is FAR from a toddler... He's a young adult or a teenager.. a very very talented one.

No shame losing to him at all.
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Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

hahaha, IMO, Losing to a toddler is more embarassing than losing to an American adult who was ranked 70 in the world


On behalf of all reasonable minded Australians, may I apologise to you all for jackwong's inability to process that an already world ranked top 10 player is not a toddler.  And may I also reassure those of you from the USA that most of us Aussies are relatively numerate and can tell the difference between 70 and 10.
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Originally posted by Tassie52 Tassie52 wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

hahaha, IMO, Losing to a toddler is more embarassing than losing to an American adult who was ranked 70 in the world


On behalf of all reasonable minded Australians, may I apologise to you all for jackwong's inability to process that an already world ranked top 10 player is not a toddler.  And may I also reassure those of you from the USA that most of us Aussies are relatively numerate and can tell the difference between 70 and 10.


most aussies dont make fake accounts to post
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/10/2018 at 6:19pm
They are not the same person in fact. (the dudes named Jack).
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

They are not the same person in fact. (the dudes named Jack).


but moderator showed some posted from australia with the same IP used by jackwong23..whats next wobgchungtinmademe cry23?
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