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My suggestion: lock szndoga and berndtmann in a room together and let them argue one another to death.

What does disappoint me, however, is that no one appears to have picked up the inherent racism that's also included in the OP.
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To be honest, Tassie52... I couldn't get past reading the first half of his post... I just assumed the rest was about the same thing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bbkon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/07/2018 at 11:37pm
Originally posted by alphapong alphapong wrote:

Originally posted by szndoga szndoga wrote:

Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

I guess Stellan Bengstton wasn't an athlete, you might want to let him know that he shouldn't have used short pips to win his world chanpionship. 


Stellan used short pips ? REALLY ? Can Danny Seemiller or someone else confirm this ?
I thought Stellan used normal rubber (smooth, inverted)


I think Stellan used short pips on his backhand later in his career.



simple. if you cant cope pips and anti at normal.level is because you cant figure out the spin an tt basic knoweledge
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Originally posted by alphapong alphapong wrote:

Originally posted by szndoga szndoga wrote:

Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

I guess Stellan Bengstton wasn't an athlete, you might want to let him know that he shouldn't have used short pips to win his world chanpionship. 

Stellan used short pips ? REALLY ? Can Danny Seemiller or someone else confirm this ?
I thought Stellan used normal rubber (smooth, inverted)

I think Stellan used short pips on his backhand later in his career.


Yes, he used short pips on the BH late in his career.
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The obvious problem of the materials in the TT comes from the fact that the economy 
of our "sport" is based on the sale of products to the players rather than on
the promotion of table tennis. The result is "under the eyes of all" the tennis who
chose the "promotion of the game" is amazing for the spectator,
table tennis is not even considered a sport. Thanks ITTFClap
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THE EVIL WILL KNOWS NO BARRIERS ...

By now, ITTF has banished a good many nasty rubbers, of those the Long Grass pimples was a hell nasty thing.
And you can still purchase some china-made pimples well identical to the LG, sized 1.9 mm x 1mm. Those bear no ITTF logo, though.

This is just to say,
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/08/2018 at 5:16am
Originally posted by Tassie52 Tassie52 wrote:

My suggestion: lock szndoga and berndtmann in a room together and let them argue one another to death.

What does disappoint me, however, is that no one appears to have picked up the inherent racism that's also included in the OP.


You are right.

The OP should consider this a formal warning about making remarks about nationality and trolling.
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I have got a DHS 652 penhold bat about I think it would be a better sport if we could only use pips. I also would be much worse but I think it would make it more competitive and interesting to watch.
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As far as funky rubbers being bad for public viewing, i don't think the public ever goes to see a bunch of 1400 players duke it out, and most of the time people winning open singles are around 2400 or above, and those guys make it look good, pips or not!
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Originally posted by szndoga szndoga wrote:

Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

I guess Stellan Bengstton wasn't an athlete, you might want to let him know that he shouldn't have used short pips to win his world chanpionship. 

Stellan used short pips ? REALLY ? Can Danny Seemiller or someone else confirm this ?
I thought Stellan used normal rubber (smooth, inverted)

Why would you value Danny Seemiller's response if he's one of the non-athletic cheaters you described earlier?
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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Originally posted by szndoga szndoga wrote:

Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

I guess Stellan Bengstton wasn't an athlete, you might want to let him know that he shouldn't have used short pips to win his world chanpionship. 

Stellan used short pips ? REALLY ? Can Danny Seemiller or someone else confirm this ?
I thought Stellan used normal rubber (smooth, inverted)

Why would you value Danny Seemiller's response if he's one of the non-athletic cheaters you described earlier?

can't be sure but never heard he used short pips at his world championship.  BTW short pips is a normal rubber - I think it came just before the inverted.
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Originally posted by szndoga szndoga wrote:

Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

I guess Stellan Bengstton wasn't an athlete, you might want to let him know that he shouldn't have used short pips to win his world chanpionship. 


Stellan used short pips ? REALLY ? Can Danny Seemiller or someone else confirm this ?
I thought Stellan used normal rubber (smooth, inverted)


Why would you value Danny Seemiller's response if he's one of the non-athletic cheaters you described earlier?


can't be sure but never heard he used short pips at his world championship.  BTW short pips is a normal rubber - I think it came just before the inverted.


I think Dan Seemiller used anti, AKA frictionless inverted rubber.
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Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Originally posted by szndoga szndoga wrote:

Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

I guess Stellan Bengstton wasn't an athlete, you might want to let him know that he shouldn't have used short pips to win his world chanpionship. 


Stellan used short pips ? REALLY ? Can Danny Seemiller or someone else confirm this ?
I thought Stellan used normal rubber (smooth, inverted)


Why would you value Danny Seemiller's response if he's one of the non-athletic cheaters you described earlier?


can't be sure but never heard he used short pips at his world championship.  BTW short pips is a normal rubber - I think it came just before the inverted.


I think Dan Seemiller used anti, AKA frictionless inverted rubber.

I am sure he did on his non-usual-playing side but doesn't mean he can't validate if Bengston used pips when he won his world championship
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anyone who asks this question 
the answer is because you dont like it Wink
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 If it takes more skill to beat a player, with rubbers that an inexperienced player does not know how to play against, then that is good, not bad. Tell me the last time the best player in the world had any kind of combination, pips etc ?  The absolute truth is that if a player loses at ANY level to a combination player, pips, antiloop, or anything he can't read or play against, its his own fault. Absolutely period, because others can ! and if they can, You can, we all can, its just an excuse for inability to blame any kind of rubber that an exponent uses, as the reason that you lost.
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The dumbest thread ever and there were a few really dumb. 


Only a complete patzer who has no idea of table tennis would want a ban on pips/anti.

If you don't like pips and thinking while playing is impossible for you, then just go play tennis. It is a simple game that every gardener and maid can understand.


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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Originally posted by szndoga szndoga wrote:

Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

I guess Stellan Bengstton wasn't an athlete, you might want to let him know that he shouldn't have used short pips to win his world chanpionship. 


Stellan used short pips ? REALLY ? Can Danny Seemiller or someone else confirm this ?
I thought Stellan used normal rubber (smooth, inverted)


Why would you value Danny Seemiller's response if he's one of the non-athletic cheaters you described earlier?


can't be sure but never heard he used short pips at his world championship.  BTW short pips is a normal rubber - I think it came just before the inverted.



bengston played with yasaka pips
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idiotic argument!
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Originally posted by Tassie52 Tassie52 wrote:

My suggestion: lock szndoga and berndtmann in a room together and let them argue one another to death.

What does disappoint me, however, is that no one appears to have picked up the inherent racism that's also included in the OP.


has berdnt been blocked again?
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Originally posted by szndoga szndoga wrote:

It is very frustrating that ITTF still has not banned abnormal rubbers like pips and anti. We all know that ONLY non-athletes use abnormal rubbers to compensate for lack of skill and only normal rubbers users are honest athletes. Even otherwise we normal rubber users are in vast majority and must raise our voice in the strongest manner to get these abnormal rubbers banned. We need to keep the sport pure and it is hard for spectators to understand why good players miss easy shots (abnormal rubber user who cheat by treating their pips with chemicals with expoxy etc) .   It is same as is in some countries where less qualified students get admission to colleges or get jobs because of their nationality. This practice must stop. It is as if we are afraid of these abnormal freaks. It is time someone stood up and spoke the  truth and not be afraid of being controversial. What will these freaks do ?  Quit the sport ? I can only hope so.  Please sign this petition to ITTF to ban all these abnormal rubbers 

idiotic argument, 
genuine masters should be able to play against any variation of rubber , it makes game more tactical and
interesting, not pure physical and mechanical.

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nothing should be banned, mastery should be a focus, it is not powerlifting.
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I´m very much convinced he´s a troll.
Posted some controversial sh*t and abandoned the topic.
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Originally posted by szndoga szndoga wrote:

Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

I guess Stellan Bengstton wasn't an athlete, you might want to let him know that he shouldn't have used short pips to win his world chanpionship. 


Stellan used short pips ? REALLY ? Can Danny Seemiller or someone else confirm this ?
I thought Stellan used normal rubber (smooth, inverted)


Why would you value Danny Seemiller's response if he's one of the non-athletic cheaters you described earlier?


can't be sure but never heard he used short pips at his world championship.  BTW short pips is a normal rubber - I think it came just before the inverted.



bengston played with yasaka pips
I just spotted this post.  Stellan used short pips in the later part of his career.  I don't recall the exact year of his switch, but it was around the late 70s (possibly even 1980+).  He was smooth both sides before then, including when he won the world championships.  I have the impression that the switch to pips reflected the fact that he was getting older and slower.  Another factor might have been (this is only my guess) that speed glue was just starting to become popular and he was looking for a way to control powerful boosted loops into his backhand.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 1dennistt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/12/2018 at 12:47pm
Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

Originally posted by szndoga szndoga wrote:

Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

I guess Stellan Bengstton wasn't an athlete, you might want to let him know that he shouldn't have used short pips to win his world chanpionship. 


Stellan used short pips ? REALLY ? Can Danny Seemiller or someone else confirm this ?
I thought Stellan used normal rubber (smooth, inverted)


Why would you value Danny Seemiller's response if he's one of the non-athletic cheaters you described earlier?


can't be sure but never heard he used short pips at his world championship.  BTW short pips is a normal rubber - I think it came just before the inverted.



bengston played with yasaka pips
I just spotted this post.  Stellan used short pips in the later part of his career.  I don't recall the exact year of his switch, but it was around the late 70s (possibly even 1980+).  He was smooth both sides before then, including when he won the world championships.  I have the impression that the switch to pips reflected the fact that he was getting older and slower.  Another factor might have been (this is only my guess) that speed glue was just starting to become popular and he was looking for a way to control powerful boosted loops into his backhand.

Thanks for the correction, I've updated my earlier post.
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