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    Posted: 06/09/2018 at 6:27pm
Go ahead, you should believe in Harimoto, after all, he just defeated Ma Long, the real #1 and leader of CNT.
But realistically, is it that simple? And let’s not even go into the fact that his parents are Chinese, he represents Japan and he wants to defeat China, and that’s it.

You should look at this differently, the CNT side. CNT is going through an identity crisis right now. How? Departure of LGL. The current top CNT players were all from LGL’s system. When you look at LGZ on the side line coaching ML, don’t you see there’s quite a bit of discomfort between those two? Where is ML’s coach, Qin Zhijian? My assertion is that the CNT is going through a transition right now, younger players like LJK, LGY and WCQ are not there yet in terms of maturity and the older players like ML, XX and even FZD are loyal to LGL. Once the new head coach established his own rank, I am not sure if Harimoto can be a threat.

The CNT is a system, it uses a network of schools, provincial teams, pro teams to nurture its young players and sort out the best. It has the best team of coaches who not only train the players, watch and analyze opponents’ weakness but most importantly, constantly invent new techniques and styles. That’s why they are so dominant. Sure, Harimoto can win once or twice but he’s a person going up against a system, a system that has the best pool of coachesand the deepest pool of talents, I wouldn’t like that odd. BTW, why did Harimoto train in China? He wants to benefit from that system.
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so the plot for the son was to make him the best before he was born by going to another Country

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By this logic, does it mean that in the current situation, we can assess players in china and Harimoto more objectively without the effect of the "system"? Does it mean that as an individual player, Harimoto is on par with ML,ZJK,FZD? 
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Outstanding individual achievement in many sports by younger players is a key factor in there entry into professional sport leagues. Its a good indication that there professional career could be exceptional and is why all professional sports spend money and time to develop younger players. Harimoto has exhibited exceptional high level play as a junior and there is no reason barring injuries that he could not as an adult become a dominating world player based on his record to date. The only unknown is how high his ranking may become before turning 18 including the possibility of becoming the number one ranked player.
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A 14 yo who is not even close to adult strength is in the world top 10 and just beat the greatest player of this era and IMHO of all time in his prime. Harimoto has already proven that on any given day he can beat anyone and he will get better still. To think that he will not be a threat to win many WTTCs is not reasonable no matter what CNT does.   
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Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Go ahead, you should believe in Harimoto, after all, he just defeated Ma Long, the real #1 and leader of CNT.
But realistically, is it that simple? And let’s not even go into the fact that his parents are Chinese, he represents Japan and he wants to defeat China, and that’s it.

You should look at this differently, the CNT side. CNT is going through an identity crisis right now. How? Departure of LGL. The current top CNT players were all from LGL’s system. When you look at LGZ on the side line coaching ML, don’t you see there’s quite a bit of discomfort between those two? Where is ML’s coach, Qin Zhijian? My assertion is that the CNT is going through a transition right now, younger players like LJK, LGY and WCQ are not there yet in terms of maturity and the older players like ML, XX and even FZD are loyal to LGL. Once the new head coach established his own rank, I am not sure if Harimoto can be a threat.

The CNT is a system, it uses a network of schools, provincial teams, pro teams to nurture its young players and sort out the best. It has the best team of coaches who not only train the players, watch and analyze opponents’ weakness but most importantly, constantly invent new techniques and styles. That’s why they are so dominant. Sure, Harimoto can win once or twice but he’s a person going up against a system, a system that has the best pool of coachesand the deepest pool of talents, I wouldn’t like that odd. BTW, why did Harimoto train in China? He wants to benefit from that system.


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Japan could elevate their system by emulating the CNT. They could use clones too, maybe 4-8 players with different shots to imitate top CNT styles. Same for top German players.
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These kinda posts always reek of bullshit to me, as sincere as they may be.
Harimoto defeated Ma Long because he played better. Any top 10 player can beat Ma Long on a good day, especially a young and explosive one who plays very high risk style.


All the philosophy about this being tied somehow to ma long's feelings for his coach, harimoto's desire to prove something to the chinese and the state of the teams etc is all bullshit devoid of any basis of knowledge. It's empty theory-craft without merit. It's even worse than empty in some way, because it's the poster projecting his own worldview and emotions on people of whom he knows absolutely nothing, and telling some story as if it's the truth.
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Originally posted by doushikunlun doushikunlun wrote:

By this logic, does it mean that in the current situation, we can assess players in china and Harimoto more objectively without the effect of the "system"? Does it mean that as an individual player, Harimoto is on par with ML,ZJK,FZD? 
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On par with ML and FZD, yes.
On par with ZJK, no.

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Originally posted by Lightzy Lightzy wrote:

These kinda posts always reek of bullshit to me, as sincere as they may be.
Harimoto defeated Ma Long because he played better. Any top 10 player can beat Ma Long on a good day, especially a young and explosive one who plays very high risk style.


All the philosophy about this being tied somehow to ma long's feelings for his coach, harimoto's desire to prove something to the chinese and the state of the teams etc is all bullshit devoid of any basis of knowledge. It's empty theory-craft without merit. It's even worse than empty in some way, because it's the poster projecting his own worldview and emotions on people of whom he knows absolutely nothing, and telling some story as if it's the truth.
 Clap aaaahhh fresh air over the thread, like Harimoto in the world tour. 

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Originally posted by doushikunlun doushikunlun wrote:

By this logic, does it mean that in the current situation, we can assess players in china and Harimoto more objectively without the effect of the "system"? Does it mean that as an individual player, Harimoto is on par with ML,ZJK,FZD? 

you can't separate the two. without the CNT for all you know I might be ML's equal - for he might not have played - but then again I might not have played either
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